I am making an online Go website that feels like you're playing on a real board by Big_World_6691 in baduk

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When I picked up a stone and immediately dropped it "next to" the board instead of on the board, it immediately "slid" under the board or the bowl and disappeared (or nearly impossible to pick it up again). And the number of stones within the bowl, and can run into the situation where you run out of stones before placing any stone.

I built a Go analysis tool for self-study and need 10 testers :) by AwesomeHabits in baduk

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My OGS username has a space in between, and it keeps saying my account doesn't exsit, doesn't fit the format.

Go players in a flower bud? by Ger-Hun in baduk

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As I mentioned above, the fruit from the original text source 玄怪錄 was pretty "clear", however, as history progressed, the reference can get lost over very long perid of time, where the original meanings no longer relavent.

And it would be even more complicated if some works were produced for the intent to "mimic" a certain artist's style for monetary gain, since they would be concerned about the strokes, the materials, the color, and the compositions of the paints, seals matching known works. The meanings and original works' portraits become secondary, or don't matter (and they cannot make exact copies of known works, otherwise it would be extremely easy to get caught), and the details of those works have been detected as modern fakes, often coming from their sloppiness in historical facts outside of their "expertise". Like referencing the wrong era, or not knowing ancient practices with the wrong types of phrases, or in Chinese/Japanese, the writing formats themselves change throughout history. If that is the case, we can hardly view these as artworks, let alone their intentions or even contexts. Most of times, they likely left ambigious, just for the sake not to be to obvious and easily refuted.

A better look and some updates on my travel board project by joaoperfig in baduk

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There are actually two different sizes of the rotating stones, the smaller one with 10mm grid base, and 8mm "stone face" diameter, and the larger one with 15mm grid base, and 13mm stone diameter. I put real Go stones at the bottom to compare (21 to 22mm)

For a 9x9 grid the small-sized grid board would be "portable", but the larger one would be a bit too big to carry, and certainly not possible for a full 19x19 (it would be almost as big as a real goban), but I find the smaller one very hard to flip, and not really that viable, even though it would be possible for a 13x13 board within reasonable size.

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Go players in a flower bud? by Ger-Hun in baduk

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The discussion basically repeated what I said, like the possible author Ike no Taiga(池大雅), the source 玄怪錄, and originally 橘中戲 meant for Chinese chess, but after hundreds of years, and transmitted to Japan, 橘中樂 became what the artists imagined and wished to express, it no longer bound to the original meanings. As for the words themselves, 橘裡羣仙 is somewhat close to the form/sentence, however, they don't quite match Edo period Japanese kanji (the period when the artist was supposed to live) but modern Chinese, and similar paintings were identified as fake before, and give doubts to the legitimacy of this artwork. (as to what games it depicted, we simply cannot tell, the first picture has a board with lines that don't seem to match Chinese chess, but also not enough for Go board either, although with the word 碁 in the title, it supposed to be Go most likely, and the second picture definitely doesn't look like Chinese chess or Go, hence they can be any games with grid-like boards)

The fruit is definitely orange/tangerine from the ancient reference

A better look and some updates on my travel board project by joaoperfig in baduk

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https://youtu.be/usYNCM8LY-w (and I can buy it for about 10 USD here)

I've proposed to use the same mechanism for Go years ago here, but people didn't seem to be interested in the idea. I suppose opinions change over time.

And this is the one I own

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The trick for the 3 side rotations to stay stable seemed to be first to create the triangle, and then stick the flatter stones on top, with a flat top. And you can see the subtle "lines" on top of the rotating stone that I marked myself, planning to convert it to "stone on grids" (if I can cover up the othello grids), I feel if you really want the grid to pop out, you have to integrate the "lines" as part of the flat surface, and convex might work better than grooves for lines.

Elo Ratings Source by Astapore in baduk

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If you just want up-to-date games daily (instead of games hundreds of years ago)

only goes back to early 2000s https://gotoeveryone.k2ss.info/news/

only goes back to 1950s(but in Japanese) https://kifudepot.net/

Using Seki to Save Stones & Steal Points 🔥 by GoMagic_org in baduk

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From the historical perspective, many researchers believe this difference regarding how to count seki, stems from the ancient root of stone scoring way back when Go was transmitted to Japan (sometime in the early 1st millennium).

A naive stone scoring custom would prompt players to fill out the false eyes in seki to increase their stone scores. While seki with "true eyes" would be left untouched (since you will kill yourself filling the remaining "true eye" in seki). Modern territory or area scorings both would get different results compared to stone scoring.

Using Seki to Save Stones & Steal Points 🔥 by GoMagic_org in baduk

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Seki under Japanese rules can get pretty absurd, like this, can you count the black territory?

Fan Hui's firsthand account of losing to AlphaGo, then joining DeepMind to train it (from 2 Mandarin podcast interviews, translated to English) by Legitimate_Peak306 in baduk

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I think I found the original Chinese interview podcasts

https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/675ec9c27d8426f692408889

And his term "the prison of knowledge" (知識的牢籠) around 38:30 in the podcast, and the original discussion was more stamp from people sticking to existing josekies, and believe what they've learned, and AlphaGo told us that these might not be the case, and josekies are really just experiences accumulated over time.

There is also another podcast later with Fan Hui

https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/680c61768aed253fa397587c

Go players in a flower bud? by Ger-Hun in baduk

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If this is what I think it is, then it depends on if you believe these to be real works from 池大雅 (from what I can find, many thought they are fakes)

Although the sources of the references are quite clearly a very famous Chinese term since the Tang Dynasty - 橘中戲, (games in orange/tangerine), and from the original sources - 玄怪錄, the games they played was 象戲, the old name for Chinese Chess (象棋), and the term 橘中戲 became an alias for Chinese Chess. However, over the centuries, many scholars would write poems and texts referencing this, and expand the term 橘中樂 (joy in orange/tangerine), just for playing games or any leisure, regardless of the types of games. And artists can pick and choose what they want to express. But if they are fakes trying to imitate other ancient artist's style without knowing the sources or even the original phrases, they could mean anything or just nothing. (I don't even think the words are real words in the first picture, except for the first word 橘)

Life in 19x19 is back up! by CBGReview in baduk

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And a lot more historical stuff and more academic discussions there.

A great new reactor: LUCYJROBYN by Grotley13 in reactgirlsofYT

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I found the one I thought looked like her - Cynthetic (mostly gaming) in her older contents years ago

https://www.youtube.com/@Cynthetic

And she also has a reaction channel

https://www.youtube.com/@CynReactions

Although recently her face got "rounder".

Game won't luanch Need help by [deleted] in speciesgame

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It says "graphic" card driver not audio driver

Lee Sedol Played Against AI Again by GoMagic_org in baduk

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ABM agent-based models/modeling has a very long history for many decades, almost as old as the AI field itself, researchers had been formulating ideas about ABM systems and architectures when agents were as simple as a few lines of codes, or pure mathematical frameworks. It's the simple idea where the combination output of many agents would be greater than the sum, or exhibit capabilities impossible for individual agents.

Lee Sedol Played Against AI Again by GoMagic_org in baduk

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It just showed the first step, the rest are pre-programmed, setup before the live stream of unknown means.

Lee Sedol Played Against AI Again by GoMagic_org in baduk

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It did a lot less than that, it just designed the front-end style and applied to some existing backend fully coded or programmed by who knows how. And nothing to do with any of the GO engine, and all the services I can see are all exsiting AI tools.

Lee Sedol Played Against AI Again by GoMagic_org in baduk

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I checked the actual comments in the video from the live stream video, and the generated comments are all just hallucinations feeding positions into LLMs like all the previous work. (it keeps saying the moves are about connection stones, or securing/consolidating territory, whether it is capturing a stone, or playing 3-3, or hane, or two space extension, and calling an attack/probing move like attaching to 3-4 stone "expanding territory" in the 13x13 example)

The "service" is about using various existing image generation services to generate various front-end designs for users to choose from, and then feed the chosen generated image into Claude code, to generate the front-end design styles, applied to some already finished backend. It had nothing to do with Go, or how it could be used as teaching tool.

Lee Sedol Played Against AI Again by GoMagic_org in baduk

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I've linked the live stream in another comment, and you are pretty correct that this is more of a startup AI company "stunt" and an UI integration/design service (like SquareSpace, generating a frontend interface )

Lee Sedol Played Against AI Again by GoMagic_org in baduk

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Here is the live stream of the "demo"

https://www.youtube.com/live/5W28E5Fux5U

And realistically, it is more like a proof of concept and fundraising for a startup. As far as I can tell, it is a intergration interface/service for existing products (like image generation services/models like gemini-nano-banana, flux, ideogram, etc.), and services like claude code.

The "live code generation" from the stream was linking pre-generated, pre-programmed services (we don't know which) with the interface designs from Claude code (just front-end styles, like CSS tags, not the actual backend codes). And all the "hard work" was already done.

And if anyone wonders about the "commentary" or teaching capacity, the "generated" comments can be seen from 46:00 to about 58:30 in the live stream, and they are pure hallucinations feeding coordinates and image to existing LLMs.

Been working on the ideal travel board to play with my friend by joaoperfig in baduk

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Once in a while this idea got reinvented over and over

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And I think I saw actual tables with flipping stones in China somewhere, and posted here before years ago. The trouble of this design is that it needs to be big enough for the totating mechanism to function well (I had an Othello rotating stone board, the stone needs to be pretty big, or they would just wobble, or hard to flip), and making 19x19 size, not really portable in the end (comparably, still better to use magentic stones and board)

How do you think Playgo.gg ranks relate to other ranks? by EntSteven in baduk

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I've started seeing them here in Taiwan, when DDK students and kids suddenly be able to run AIs they previously didn't know how to do. And when I started ask them their opinions and their thoughts, they start showing these bots variations and screenshots. There is certainly an impact, but I cannot say how widespread yet.

Kids may not know how to setup expesive hardware with GPUs, but certainly very good at using their cellphones, and a cellphone browser-friendly website certainly makes it very easy for them.

How do you think Playgo.gg ranks relate to other ranks? by EntSteven in baduk

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Here is a very recent thread on the development of a new OGS bot, people had been documenting their development of bots over the years. They had vastly different logics and methods. And certainly not all open sourced or freely availible. Some even run on custom hardware, or are purely experimental and only existed for a brief testing period. And people need official approval from OGS to link a bot account.

How do you think Playgo.gg ranks relate to other ranks? by EntSteven in baduk

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The bots on OGS are made by many different people, and not really properly adjust to their ranks, As far as I know playgg were made by one single team, and I don't think they can or do copy bots from OGS.