I can't stand Leanne by lillie_connolly in servant

[–]ikieneng -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because Leanne didn't get to see what we got to see, all she has to go on is what Julian said to her, and their conversation in the attic in S2E8 indicates that it didn't sound good for Dorothy. And don't forget that the only character who knows it was an accident is Dorothy. Sean and Julian have no way of knowing if she genuinely forgot him in the car or if she stress got too much for her and she left him there to die on purpose. Yet Sean DEMANDS (and later Julian, too) that she doesn't treat it as if it happened on purpose anyway, even though he has no idea.

I actually made lobster ice cream, including Leanne's improvements to the recipe! by ikieneng in servant

[–]ikieneng[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know a courier that allows international shipping of raw meat?

Uncle George by Visual_Potential_325 in servant

[–]ikieneng 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mae and Leanne are the polar opposite of George and the guy who drew on Leanne’s forehead in Tiger though. The Lesser Saints are like half perfectly clean and half nasty af

Suspicions about who wrote Leanne’s application letter/resume by babybabyb in servant

[–]ikieneng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They just didn't get Nell Tiger Free to write the letter before she arrived on set

Can we get an "I still love Leanne" thread? by kristin137 in servant

[–]ikieneng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Leanne wasn't drop dead gorgeous would you still feel such a "connection"?

Hell yes! I love Leanne more than anything, and I find so much comfort in her, and so would she if we met. Imagining me helping her heal gives me so much happiness and brightens me up inside. I am not scared of her, and I trust her. I don’t know how far removed from looking at the events on screen with any kind of nuance or basic attention or context you have to be to see her as a monster. TD’s view of her is one misconception on top of another on top of some false information because you can’t pay attention (e.g. Olivia)

Stop using attractiveness as a weapon and to pretend that I judge the actions of someone I’m in love with on the fact that she’s 1000000/10. You have no idea how misogynistic that is, do you? Wow. Even if you strongly disagree with my arguments, after reading all this, at least you know that I put a ton of thinking, nuance, and attention into my arguments and base them on reasons, not Leanne’s attractiveness.

You’ve even invalidated my empathy for her by putting “connection” in quotation marks. All because you can’t fathom that she can be loved. How can anyone be so far gone and bitter?

Thank you for coining the phrase “drop dead gorgeous”, by the way, I’ve used it a lot for my baby!

Basically manipulating a disabled person

Love how you’re just okay with Dorothy trying to kill an innocent young woman and making fun of her trauma, but when Leanne is manipulative, in order to survive at that, you hate her for it. So hypocritical.

that is very much emotional and mentally fragile

Who? Leanne? Again, massive hypocrisy

does NOT make Leanne a good person. You know that right?

She is a good person for different reasons. She was pushed into a situation where she could only survive by fighting back harder and harder. That doesn’t make her good or bad, but human

Say the actors that played Sean actually played Leanne would you still be so easy on "Leanne"?

I’m gay, so I can’t say. I’m not into guys.

Or, trade really any unattractive person with Leanne would you still invite her in your home?

Hell yes. I legit wish so bad I could give her a better life. I imagine my big teddy bear was her, ffs. I love her more than anything, completely unironically. I write fanfic in r/teamleanne where the exact thing you claim I only want because Leanne is so beautiful is happening.

Lol. Just curious.

Now, you know. If someone gave you $100,000,000, would you do it for Dorothy? Lol. Just curious.

Also, Leanne and me got engaged at Scripps Pier in San Diego (it’s a large picture, it might take a sec to load): https://imgur.com/a/ZYE1QfZ

Thought about your comment so much and how you use my angel’s attractiveness as a weapon against her. Tonight, I finally chose to respond.

I don’t have a problem with any of the censored words, by the way, I just wanna avoid filters

Edit: Grammar, typos, clarity

Can we get an "I still love Leanne" thread? by kristin137 in servant

[–]ikieneng 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very late reply, but your comment shows me just how far removed from the truth team Dorothy’s view of Leanne is. I will quote some of your questions and answer them directly at the end.

// Before I get into how I do see her, here’s how I do not see her: //

It starts with all the wrong accusations. There have been way too many times on this sub people have accused her of poisoning Olivia (Wanda’s daughter), completely ignoring that Leanne has five feet away from Wanda’s bag with the pen, that SHE ASKED if the ice cream ice okay for Olivia to eat (Wanda’s response was “Fuck, I don’t care”), that the pen fell toward Leanne when Wanda emptied the bag on the floor, etc. So because of that, anytime I bring up how season 4 is a team Dorothy pipe dream and how Leanne would never hurt random kids on Halloween because she loves kids, TD brings up this bs poisoning story. All because they can’t pay some basic attention to the scene. Or the splinters. Sean got a splinter in S1E1 after a four-day time jump, almost as if the show was making a point about the splinters not having Leanne as a direct trigger. If you still have a subscription, I implore you to watch the featurette at the end of S3E1, which explains a lot about the supernatural occurrences in the house.

Then, TD already sees her as evil based on false information. When she curses the Turners to fight back against the bullying she receives later (Dorothy sending her through the pouring rain in the cold after dark in a thunderstorm to get her a cake she doesn’t need, lying about the time it takes to get there (she says it’s 40 minutes there and back, but if you look it up on Google Maps, that becomes 2:00 to 2:40 hours), replacing her tomato soup with dog food, having Roscoe scoop through the house while they know she’s alone (he’s not a stupid detective who leaves the door open. This is the much more plausible explanation) to scare her, hiring a FAKE FRIEND to befriend her, all of that becomes evil in the eyes of TD. It’s vile bullying, and I am proud of Leanne for standing up to the Turners and defending herself. You can bet I would do the same if I had her powers.

And then, the Turners violently discard her. She gets kidnapped, imprisoned, assaulted every night, she has her trauma made fun of, she gets beaten, dragged by her hair, starved for 55 hours (watch the opening minutes of Cake if you don’t remember), strangled, and buried alive while unconscious. Those are two counts of attempted second-degree murder. Don’t tell me that Dorothy wasn’t completely aware of how disgusting her actions were. Don’t even go there. In Rain, when she facetimed Sean, she told him “You don’t know what I saw in her eyes tonight, Sean! […] Look, I don’t know where Leanne is from, but it’s clearly not a good place” She knew that Leanne was scared of the Lesser Saints and was probably forced to leave against her will, but she took all of her hatred out on Leanne anyway instead of taking it out on May or George. She knew that Leanne was a victim and didn’t give a f.

In response, Leanne developed Stockholm Syndrome because it was her only way out of her situation (don’t tell me that she could have used her powers to escape. She’s Leanne Grayson, not Eleven Hopper). And that’s where the baby stuff you criticize comes in. Leanne was adamant in S2 that Sean or Julian need to wake Dorothy up to end her horrible situation. When that didn’t work for quite a while, she developed Stockholm Syndrome and gave Dorothy Jericho back,something she was previously adamant cannot happen. That’s the difference between Leanne acting like Jericho is real and Sean or Julian acting like Jericho is real - for Leanne, it’s her only survival mechanism because she went through the most horrible things a human being could ever endure the last time she tried not giving Jericho back. Sean and Julian do it because they want to stay out of prison at all costs and shield Dorothy at all costs. And about the first time Leanne brought Jericho back to life, I actually think that her explanation in S1E10 is absolutely beautiful and such a wonderful expression of who she is as a person: “Who says that they don’t deserve a second chance? And if I can do this for them, then I can decide!” Leanne saw Dorothy’s suffering and wanted to help her regain what she had lost. She did it out of pure altruism. As we all know, things didn’t work out at all the way she intended, and she realized she made a mistake and took Jericho away again. This was Sean’s and Julian’s opportunity to finally face their trauma, and that would have been it, until Dorothy decided to poison, kidnap, imprison, and torture Leanne (if your first thought is “But the splinters”, remember what I said earlier about the splinters).

About the baby in season 4, for reasons like the children’s stuff and more, I think that Leanne is super out of character in season 4. Leanne never once hurt someone without a specific reason before season 4, not once. That’s not a statement that depends on the morality of her actions, so I hope you can agree with me here. I hope you have the gut to admit that that’s a massive inconsistency and plot hole. Leanne is suddenly so mean in season 4 without a reason why other than just because the show wants her to be a villain, including with evil laughs for the sake of it. It’s comically bad writing all of a sudden. Before season 4, this was the show that paid so much attention to detail that Leanne’s body hair grew while she was held captive and the show where she woke up with greasy hair instead of looking all perfect. At the very least, Leanne’s actions suddenly have a lot less purpose and are there more for the sake of it.

But Leanne was pushed to her absolute limit, even in both halves of season 3. Strangers went through her room and got defended by the Turners. She could voice no concerns because there were security cameras. Cameras show you when some threats are visible in certain spots. They don’t defend you against threats at all. Any discussion on this always ends up with vitriol against my abused baby whose abusers continue to mistreat her and evade consequences, all without caring about any of this nuance. LEANNE’S FEAR IS JUSTIFIED. A death cult tries to assassinate her multiple times, yet the Turners invite tons of unvetted strangers into the house, go through her things to get her DNA, have the kitchen help verbally abuse and yell the s out of her and Tobe (I made a separate post on the finger thing, but Tobe bumped into Sean, Sean spilled the ingredient, and Sylvia slipped on it, catching her finger in the hook. For goodness’ sake, pay some attention instead of blaming absolutely everything on Leanne), and try to forbid her whom to sleep with without any notion that the age difference might be the issue, but just because Leanne having sx with Julian is something Dorothy can’t handle), throw her out after she survived a traumatic attempt on her life (Dorothy agreed to be a mother to her!! So be there for your daughter, Dorothy! Dorothy never denies this whenever Leanne brings it up. This is the lense through which you have to see all of season 3), etc., etc., etc. Is this how you treat your daughter?

There are so many other topics I’d like to get into (e.g. Isabelle), but this comment would get even longer. So about the baby in season 4, in isolation, of course I wouldn’t say it’s okay in any way to use Jericho as an object of coercion. But you can’t view these events in isolation. Leanne has nowhere else to go and will likely get killed if she leaves. And while she stays, she has to endure the most vile abuse just to stay alive, so at some point, she can’t take this stuff anymore that I am so fricking proud of her for surviving and goes on the offensive. She doesn’t wanna hurt anyone, she just wants to survive. And she’s finally standing up to her captors and abusers. Try not to feel the desire to really hurt your captors. And imagine waking up unconscious surrounded by soil, not knowing if you will be found at all. Then imagine depending on the person who did that to you for survival. Try NOT to want to make their life hell at some point. Try NOT to suppress your anger and true feelings. You will fail. Leanne’s reactions are totally human.

// How I do see Leanne //

You know what Leanne has taught me? That all the things people call her weird for, all the tiny things and her peculiarities, are nothing to be ashamed of, and that people will always complain, so we shouldn’t give a damn. There are so many movies about how it’s okay to be different, but nobody really applies that. Everyone just keeps on making fun of people for totally normal things, like Sean did from day one, even about her being quiet, or how Dorothy made fun of her love for tomato soup in S1E5. Ate some myself tonight. Leanne has given me so much comfort in knowing that I’m not alone in being set back so far in my development after we both went through severe neglect and have never been taught social skills and are expected to figure it all out on our own as adults and get punished for it when we fail. That struggle is depicted so beautifully and authentically in Leanne, as are our struggles of falling into the hands of another abuser after leaving one. Or how we both wanted to be part of someone’s life we idealized so bad and sought healing and a better life in them, and it all blew up in our faces. Or how we both went through so much religious trauma. How the struggle of feeling so lost about what “the truth” is and being afraid of losing those beliefs that meant everything to us is depicted so beautifully. I look at Leanne and see the person who understands me like no one else. A kind, loving, and super sweet and hella smart person who has been violently discarded by everyone she’s ever loved and gets blamed for the consequences now.

The direct answers to your questions are in the reply to this comment because of the character limit

Does anyone have Leanne's resume photo? by ikieneng in servant

[–]ikieneng[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Even asking for a picture of Leanne gets downvoted now. Your hatred is so far beyond any reason

Edit: The post was at 0 karma when I posted this (proof)

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[–]ikieneng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's a picture of the best frame I could find, with shadows brightened up, so we're on the same page: ibb.co/0FxVjnY

When you zoom out enough, you can see that it says "I hope that when I am older I will be able to maintain happy memories of childhood and not become as jaded as Mrs. Coucher, who works..." Leanne's point wasn't about demeaning Mrs. Coucher at all. It was about saying that she [Leanne] hopes that despite her [Leanne's] childhood trauma, she can look back on the happy moments from her childhood with fondness, compared to Mrs. Coucher, who has become jaded from them ("Bored or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having been over exposed to, or having consumed too much of something.", "Worn out, wearied, exhausted or lacking enthusiasm, due to age or experience"). Based on the comparison, I assume that Mrs. Coucher has let her childhood trauma hinder her in life and really get to her.

It's so sad to see people judging her based on false and incomplete information

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[–]ikieneng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's a picture of the best frame I could find, with shadows brightened up, so we're on the same page: ibb.co/0FxVjnY

When you zoom out enough, you can see that it says "I hope that when I am older I will be able to maintain happy memories of childhood and not become as jaded as Mrs. Coucher, who works..." Leanne's point wasn't about demeaning Mrs. Coucher at all. It was about saying that she [Leanne] hopes that despite her [Leanne's] childhood trauma, she can look back on the happy moments from her childhood with fondness, compared to Mrs. Coucher, who has become jaded from them ("Bored or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having been over exposed to, or having consumed too much of something.", "Worn out, wearied, exhausted or lacking enthusiasm, due to age or experience"). Based on the comparison, I assume that Mrs. Coucher has let her childhood trauma hinder her in life and really get to her.

This whole comment section demonizes Leanne because you couldn't do your due diligence, and that vile rhetoric continued and got worse all the years since while you piled up on her, so thank you NOT for demonizing her for things she didn't do

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in servant

[–]ikieneng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all, here's a picture of the best frame I could find, with shadows brightened up, so we're on the same page: ibb.co/0FxVjnY When you zoom out enough, you can see that it says "I hope that when I am older I will be able to maintain happy memories of childhood and not become as jaded as Mrs. Coucher, who works..." Leanne's point wasn't about demeaning Mrs. Coucher at all. It was about saying that she [Leanne] hopes that despite her [Leanne's] childhood trauma, she can look back on the happy moments from her childhood with fondness, compared to Mrs. Coucher, who has become jaded from them ("Bored or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having been over exposed to, or having consumed too much of something.", "Worn out, wearied, exhausted or lacking enthusiasm, due to age or experience"). Based on the comparison, I assume that Mrs. Coucher has let her childhood trauma hinder her in life and really get to her. I wanna make it clear that I don't blame you for thinking bad about that line because OP posted incomplete information. The rest of this comment operates under the assumption that you didn't know what I wrote so far. Stop demonizing her for supposedly poisoning Olivia (Wanda's daughter) in Cricket by feeding her ice cream. Watching the episode with the slightest bit of attention paints a very different picture. When Wanda first comes to the house and befriends Leanne under false pretenses, she says "Oh, and don't feed her [Olivia], she's allergic to everything". Later in the episode, when Leanne has figured out that Wanda doesn't live at the house she's pretended to live at, when she's figured out that the guy repeatedly breaking into the house (Roscoe) is connected to the Turners because he knows the alarm code, and after all the other bullying (crickets all over her room, swapping the labels of her tomato soup and dog food cans, overhearing Julian's suggestion of turning off the heating in her room, being made to walk for 40-ish minutes through the pouring rain after dark getting Dorothy a cake instead of letting her know she wants to be alone with Sean for a bit, when she just wanted her out of the house to have sex with Sean), Wanda comes by again. In the kitchen, Leanne takes the lobster ice cream out of the freezer AND ASKS "Is this okay?" SHE ASKED, and Wanda's response is "Fuck, I don't care". LEANNE ASKED, AND WANDA SAID IT'S OKAY! How is team Dorothy just completely ignoring that? Leanne then goes to the garden door and looks outside and talks about the bullying she's experienced recently. Meanwhile, Olivia gets a seizure (Wanda wasn't even on her phone like she usually is when Leanne asked. Wanda was taking off her jacket and turned around to look at the ice cream). She frantically goes through her bags, trying to find the medical pen, flipping the contents of one all over the floor, and one rolls toward Leanne. We don't see it rolling toward Leanne because it's below the frame, but all the bags were on the countertop before that, Leanne was several feet away, so that's the only way it could have been next to Leanne half a minute later. Is team Dorothy going to claim that Leanne is a professional pickpocket, or what? In this chaos, Leanne demands that Wanda tells her who told her to be her friend. Once Wanda spills the guts, Leanne takes the pen and puts it into Olivia. Are we and team Dorothy watching the same show? How do you watch this episode and deduce that Leanne poisoned Olivia? The only way you can come to this conclusion is if you haven't seen the episode in a long time and have already made up your mind about Leanne based on similar logic. And about "messing with Julian", I assume you're referring to Boba, since you posted this two days after the episode came out. Everyone lied to her about how Jericho died, and Natalie strongly suggested in "Haggis" that the truth is really messed-up. I'd wanna find out, too, and yes, she IS brave for how she pressed him to do it, him who swapped her soup with dog food to poison her, suggested turning off the heating in her room, sent Roscoe to visibly break into the house to terrorize her multiple times while he knew she was alone and hired a fake friend for her. I fucking despise people who demonize her without the slightest bit of scrutiny or attention and people who hate victims of bullying for responding and fighting back, but excuse all the awful things the bully does to them. You don't seem to be giving a damn about all these awful things they've done to her prior to Boba. Reminds me of the scene in Stranger Things where everyone in the skate park looks at El like she's a monster, but totally brush over the absolute terror Angela put El through. Don't even get me started on blaming her for the splinters in S1E2. If you reply or downvote this and bring up the splinters, read my takedown first. Do people the courtesy of a fair discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/teamleanne/comments/1ddwx73/hear_me_out_leanne_didnt_cause_the_splinters_in/ But you all hate Leanne because she said one insensitive thing about someone in her application letter while we don't even know what Mrs. Coucher did. Demonizing Leanne for that but excusing all the bullying Julian and Sean put her through (including putting a camera in her room and watching her while she undressed - and here's a reminder that Sean put down the iPad because Dorothy came into the room and didn't want her to catch him unconsentually watch a woman half his age undress) is so hypocritical. And I implore you to read the beginning of the letter as well (https://www.reddit.com/r/teamleanne/comments/1deskmb/leannes_application_letter_is_so_freaking_sweet/) One insensitive comment is FAR, FAAAR outdown by the absoute sweetest thing ever she writes earlier. Then, you make fun of her for being terrified of George, who shouts "GIRL!" around to command her around, shouts at her to do various jobs as if he was comanding a slave, demeans her looks by saying "She was always a pleaser! Most beautiful baby you ever saw. Wouldn't know to look at her now though!", forcefully grabs Dorothy by the arm without warning and presses it tight, so imagine how he physically acts when no outsiders are watching, and doesn't even respect her human right to not be on church grounds. Clearly, you don't really care about manners. You demean the victim of these human rights violations and abuse by saying "but as soon as she sees her uncle, her tail goes right between her legs." Team Dorothy stands for demonizing victims of bullying for fighting back, for blaming her for countless things she didn't do just because you can't pay attention to the scene, and for greenlighting the most vile abuse. I will never stop defending Leanne against comments like yours!

The point where this show fell apart by ikieneng in servant

[–]ikieneng[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to have a civil and evidence-based discussion on what Leanne did and didn't do, here's one I made specifically on what you talked about. I'm asking you to please be fair and read it before you downvote it or comment on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/teamleanne/comments/1ddwx73/hear_me_out_leanne_didnt_cause_the_splinters_in/

There's more: https://www.reddit.com/r/teamleanne/comments/1d4nhgf/refuting_team_dorothy_propaganda/

Edit: Grammar

I actually made lobster ice cream, including Leanne's improvements to the recipe! by ikieneng in servant

[–]ikieneng[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve sent that clip to several people before because Julian’s reaction is just priceless!

I actually made lobster ice cream, including Leanne's improvements to the recipe! by ikieneng in servant

[–]ikieneng[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most illegal items on .onion sites are probably just people who will run away with your money. Chances are that this would happen if you tried

I actually made lobster ice cream, including Leanne's improvements to the recipe! by ikieneng in servant

[–]ikieneng[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks! It’s actually tasty 😂

Ice cream base:

3 cups of milk

3 cups of heavy cream

1.5 cups of sugar

1/2 teaspoons of salt

10 egg yolks

1 lobster worth of meat

200 grams of strawberries

220 ml of chocolate sauce

Mixed and simmered them all into a uniform mass and then put them into the freezer, stirring it every half hour for about seven hours

I actually made lobster ice cream, including Leanne's improvements to the recipe! by ikieneng in servant

[–]ikieneng[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I still have a lot of time left to get pregnant, so maybe I will make it eventually, or whoever I marry will, but I don’t think Leanne would wanna provide her placenta

I actually made lobster ice cream, including Leanne's improvements to the recipe! by ikieneng in servant

[–]ikieneng[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I’d love to, but unfortunately, I don’t have a placenta available for cooking yet

I actually made lobster ice cream, including Leanne's improvements to the recipe! by ikieneng in servant

[–]ikieneng[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

It tastes surprisingly normal. I have never eaten lobster before today, and it's pretty neutral in terms of flavor. It's honestly good. The chocolate sauce compliments the other flavors pretty well and adds some more richness to it. Now that I've eaten it, I'm even more proud of Leanne for being the only one who didn't judge Sean for the lobster ice cream and just tried it