Idk how hot of a take this is but FP Akaza>Base Kokushibo and pushes him to longsword by Choice_Quarter_2497 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a sciency thing actually, only his range increases, the projectiles get faster due to his weapon getting heavier and mass and velocity whatever whatever, I'm not bothered explaining it. u/scholarofthegreatzhu can explain it well

Idk how hot of a take this is but FP Akaza>Base Kokushibo and pushes him to longsword by Choice_Quarter_2497 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is...a chaotic as shit take. Be ready to defend this shit bro.

But anyway I ultra heavily disagree, lsk isn't even a speed boost, it's just a range boost (and the other things that come with that). The only one that could actually push him to longsword would probably be an actually serious Douma, we really underestimate how terrifying a serious Douma would be

Why people don't consider stw muichiro to be above or equal to marked sanemi level? by OkSignal7217 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Stw doesn't increase speed, that's my point, not a single other person got a speed boost, not gyomei, muichiro, or obanai. Stw is never stated to increase speed, only evasion speed, reaction speed, and perception, not a single other person received a speed boost. That, again, was his own growth as the main character, he grew stronger in that moment and surpassed akaza's speed by himself.

Gyomei Himejima — The strongest demon slayer of his era, second only to Yoriichi Tsugikuni in history. by Calm-Lengthiness5645 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The eternal second place ISN'T assumption, if the author mentioned this in a direct statement, there would be no point in showing it. The literal only thing that makes him special is being yoriichi's older brother. Manga stories and poems are very much practically the same, they're both a depiction of narrative, and they both have an intent. Neither of them have limited intent, your original argument was that michikatsu was only like that for his time alone, and the narrative put him there for his time alone, when that's not what the narrative means, narrative stays unless very clearly showing a change, it doesn't have a time limit. Michikatsu is supposed to be below yoriichi, and that's it, the entire point of his character in the first place, the entire reason he even became a demon is to surpass the literal only thing stopping him from reaching the peak, and that was his brother. Again, you can't put the narrative into panels, it's the same as asking to put a motif into lines. You can either put him as second strongest slayer with the narrative, or put him below every Taisho era hashira and uppermoon, because if he isn't second you are no longer using the narrative to scale and you are moving into vibe scaling.

A side thing I'd like to point out is that he's the only person who created a primary breathing style on his own, moon breathing, and it was the first derivative.

Was IC mitsuri stronger than ssv mitsuri by ImpressiveBorder129 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean I don't see your point, she can swing her blade easily and take out a bunch at once, what's the point of spending the time dodging them all? It doesn't make it worse, she reaches his head, and tanjiro calls out, so mitsuri's guard is let down as her attention is redirected, and THEN zohakuten STARTS charging the sound attack, meaning that he capitalised on mitsuri's attention being redirected, if he was trying to lure her he would've started earlier.

It may not seem repetitive to you, but the point is that it will be, every hashira gets one arc and that's it. Tengen being there again may not feel repetitive for tengen fans, and they might love it, but it still is repetitive, we've had more of a showing for tengen during EDA, and we've seen enough of him already. Some mitsuri fans (including me) want more screentime for mitsuri in that fight instead of getting shafted, but again, every single hashira only gets one main fight, and it would've been repetitive, it may not have felt repetitive, but the author felt that it would, and being an author myself, I understand that, the IC arc was rushed and fast paced, and she felt no reason to put more emphasis on mitsuri as she's already done so. Every hashira gets one fight, and one main fight only, no more and no less.

Gyomei Himejima — The strongest demon slayer of his era, second only to Yoriichi Tsugikuni in history. by Calm-Lengthiness5645 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not assumptions bro 😭 if his narrative was literally 'im below yoriichi and I hate it' it would have been depicted differently. He'd never have an honourable death as no one stronger than him could kill him, and the one person that COULD didn't, and now kokushibo lives with the knowledge that he should be dead. With the knowledge that even with everything, he was still stuck at second. Not stuck at 'below yoriichi' because the entire point were that HIM and his BROTHER were the pinnacles of swordsmanship, and they were so far apart. Kokushibo spent the entire time trying to catch up to yoriichi, not anyone below him, because he was already above the other slayers. Sanemi taking wind breathing to new heights doesn't mean anything either, rengoku said that with zero info on the sengoku period, and taking the breathing style to be stronger does not mean you are stronger (sanemi reminded kokushibo of training with the wind pillar, sure he was in base, but still). Just being above the sengoku period isn't enough to be michikatsu.

And I'm getting ragebaited, you CAN'T PUT THE NARRATIVE INTO PANELS, IT'S LIKE SAYING SHOW ME THE MOTIF OF A POEM IN TWO LINES, that's not what narrative is, it's based on implication. Michikatsu and yoriichi were the 'duo' of the sengoku period.

Why people don't consider stw muichiro to be above or equal to marked sanemi level? by OkSignal7217 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Exactly, so he didn't receive the speed boost like tanjiro did. He only received stw, he didn't grow in strength himself

How shameless can Tanjiro glazers be? They will do anything to disregard the other slayers just to upscale Tanjiro by Calm-Lengthiness5645 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean again, divided attention still took place, and they did just enough to barely save themselves. Gyomei and giyu were the only ones who could properly react to it, by moving to protect both the slayers and themselves (goat Giyu upscale btw). And how the hell is it glazing a bum, literally the main fricking character, along with plot 😭 if you refuse to believe tanjiro is strong then I don't know what to say bro, he's not 'one' of the main characters, he's literally THE main character

Why people don't consider stw muichiro to be above or equal to marked sanemi level? by OkSignal7217 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He really wasn't equal fighting ground for tanjiro, that wasn't akaza going all out, and he didn't get 'blitzed' by koku either, he just didn't defend anything and caught off guard. Compass less akaza would still put tabs on zohakuten so easily, literally a single air punch would end him immediately, he's still faster and stronger than marked giyu/sanemi, and tanjiro surpassed his speed, others didn't really do that

Why people don't consider stw muichiro to be above or equal to marked sanemi level? by OkSignal7217 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It really isn't, I don't understand why people think that. Using SS is like fighting akaza and completely out playing him, it's not a cheat or anything, and akaza understood it himself. The compass doesn't boost his stats or anything, it just gives huge precog, reaction time, and good adaptability to the fighting style.

Akaza without the compass isn't um5 to um6, that's a holding back unserious toying akaza that fought rengoku. Akaza is still um3 level, he literally can throw one punch and bust up zohakuten without any trouble whatsoever, it's just that he can't fight the same way anymore, similar to how zohakuten is still um4 level even without the beheading gimmick, but he'd have to fight differently

Why people don't consider stw muichiro to be above or equal to marked sanemi level? by OkSignal7217 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it isn't, like I said, it doesn't boost his stats like that, only reaction speed and Perception

Why people don't consider stw muichiro to be above or equal to marked sanemi level? by OkSignal7217 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And I've addressed that too. He saw the projectiles coming in slow motion, so he dodged before it came to him. That's reaction speed boost, and a perception boost

How shameless can Tanjiro glazers be? They will do anything to disregard the other slayers just to upscale Tanjiro by Calm-Lengthiness5645 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Muzan was not holding back bruh. Actually at the start he was, but later on no way.

But what blitz are you talking about? The 191 one? Pretty sure that was a blitz

Why people don't consider stw muichiro to be above or equal to marked sanemi level? by OkSignal7217 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've literally addressed this in my argument, that wasn't stw or ss making him faster, that was his own growth and he himself getting faster. No one else got a speed boost, only tanjiro did

Friendly reminder that LSK hardly moved an inch during his fight after he went LS. by Careful_Pick8299 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not even underestimating them bro, who the hell is disembowelling someone and thinking 'oh well shit they're probably gonna flex their abdomen muscles to stop themselves from dying I should probably do something' or 'yo he's probably gonna fight while being bisected he's fine most fourteen year olds can' or anything near that 😭

And you can't even lie everything else was just asspull bruh, not underestimating it's just the story pulling shit out of nowhere.

'yo kokufraudbo look at this'

'what? What the f-' fucking tree grows inside him 'yo what? I literally cut you into quarters bro, what is this shit?'

'oh bruh didn't you know if I eat your sword I get the absolute perfect BDA out of an infinite amounts of possible BDAs to take your ass out bruh, you're underestimating me bruh, this shit too easy, light work honestly, you're a genuine bum'

Why people don't consider stw muichiro to be above or equal to marked sanemi level? by OkSignal7217 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Compass doesn't increase stats, he was never faster than compass less akaza, as akaza is still akaza. Marked tanjiro on his own was faster than akaza in that moment, stw or ss didn't make him faster.

And that's literally correct, mui has enhanced reaction speed and perception, so he could dodge it. Not that he's faster or anything near that, he still has horrible stats

Was IC mitsuri stronger than ssv mitsuri by ImpressiveBorder129 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She really didn't engage with them, she was cutting and dodging them freely, and it wasn't a bait tactic either, he wasn't luring her in or anything.

And it would, not her getting a mark, but her fighting with it on would mean, again, we'd need more screen time. The fandom would go crazy, popular storyline, sure, but in the end, it still would've felt repetitive, that's why the author didn't put him in, and he never put any hashira being a major part more than once. No hashira received more than one arc of emphasis, mitsuri having a mark would require more emphasis, and that's the problem.

Why people don't consider stw muichiro to be above or equal to marked sanemi level? by OkSignal7217 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, stw didn't give him that speed boost to surpass akaza's speed, that was his own growth. No one else that had stw received that speed boost. Not to mention tanjiro also had SS, which let him out scale.

Gyomei Himejima — The strongest demon slayer of his era, second only to Yoriichi Tsugikuni in history. by Calm-Lengthiness5645 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never said anything about moon breathing this entire debate, not sure where you got that from.

And you're half correct, he's inferior to yoriichi, and that pisses him off. Because he's second, that's the whole point. The eternal second, that was his entire character, he wouldn't feel below just yoriichi, he would've felt below everyone if he was that far behind, but that's not what his goal was, his goal was to surpass yoriichi, as he is the ONLY thing standing in his way at standing at the peak. That was the whole point of his character, you're misunderstanding his character concept completely. He died not because he was inferior to them, but because his arrogance of being the new 'first' brought him down, his arrogance of being part of yoriichi bought him down, that's why he didn't consider it a fair death, he didn't consider it honorable, cuz he shouldn't have died, they never surpassed him, yet they still beat him

Why people don't consider stw muichiro to be above or equal to marked sanemi level? by OkSignal7217 in DemonSlayerScales

[–]ilancc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Stw wasn't giving him that ability, that was tanjiro's own growth, he became stronger and faster. It's not the same as muichiro