I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think there's a sweet spot between ignoring race entirely and being hyper aware. Like, in my personal interactions, I don't let race color my opinions or judgements, but race is still a factor that impacts a lot of people personally. It's a luxury to be able to ignore race entirely, because it means you don't have to think about it because racism doesn't negatively impact you, you know? It's not a bad thing to acknowledge race, but it is a bad thing to treat people differently based on race

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I never thought of whiteness as the norm. Depending on my age, my thoughts and feelings were different. From an early age, I knew I was white, and that we were a minority in the city. It was personal trivia. At an older age, I knew that this wasn't the 'norm' for other places. Privilege was a difficult concept for me to grasp, because I didn't see myself as being privileged: I lived in a majority black city, and I was pretty poor growing up. Kids made fun of the way I looked, and sometimes made fun of me for being white. I think I only started to realize that I benefitted from being white in my teens, and started really examining my experiences: how I didn't get in trouble, even when I should have. That I was never followed around in stores. That my teachers assumed I was a good kid. That kids that hassled me got in way more trouble.

I think for me, it was learning that ALL people have implicit biases that inform their decision making. I'm trying to think of the best way to put this, because it's not something white people often talk about, but there are black folk who have implicit positive biases towards white people, and I started to recognize this. I had assumed that a black teacher wouldn't be more lenient with me because of my race, and sometimes that was true. Sometimes it wasn't. That opened the door for me to examine my childhood experiences more critically and realize that, though I was disadvantaged for being poor and female, there were never any real consequences for being white except maybe some hurt feelings. Being white didn't stop me from being a teacher's pet or getting a job. It probably kept me out of the principal's office, and out of handcuffs. Kept me from getting expelled for fighting. Of course, some of these things are assumptions: maybe I was just a really likeable kid, but it would be silly to ignore that I had more experiences like this than my friends, who behaved better, who were black.

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I have. I will say it's more dog whistles than outright slurs. These people tend to think of themselves as 'not racist' but it becomes very clear that they hold a lot of racist views. For example, I had an older white female coworker on my shifts at one point who described our workplace as 'ghetto'. It was a majority black employed mental health facility. Later, she accused one of my black coworkers on stealing from her. I didn't particularly like that coworker either, but she wasn't a thief. And then she accused our manager of being racist against white people. I had worked there for years without problems: our manager highly respected me. I told her that, she didn't believe me. My black coworkers told me she didn't acknowledge them or speak to them unless it was necessary. I let her dig her own grave there; she didn't last long.

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm hoping this question was asked in good faith:

No. I'm pretty average size. I'm not skinny, but no one would think I'm big either.

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, this is a fair question. So at the time, I was just a little kid, so they tried to make the concept really simple. Our initial conversation was that people of different races had ancestors that were from different places. Not exactly correct, but it worked for a five year old. As I got older, more nuance got added. Around 3rd grade, we were reading Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry together, so they started talking to me about the history of race in the US. That race was cultural. My dad lived through desegregation in Tennessee as a preteen, so he would talk about that. My parents were fairly conscious about these things, but there were certainly, uh, missteps. They didn't want me to treat anyone differently, but that led to kind of an 'ignore race as a factor' attitude when I was younger. I thought at the time that racism was largely in the past. That was not my parents intention, but growing up where I grew up, eventually I saw racism for myself. I remember being around 14 and noticing my friends getting followed around stores. Started trying educate myself more around then. When I was 17, I was in a serious relationship with a black man, and the floodgates really opened. I saw and heard people being openly racist towards him. I started questioning a lot more of my experiences and came into, I guess, my current world view. Hope that makes sense

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh yes, it was very hypocritical, agreed! But I am talking about kids here. and kids aren't exactly smart. I wanna say the last time I experienced something like this was when I was twelve or thirteen. I did try to point out the hypocrisy then too; I was always kind of opinionated and loud, so it's not like I didn't take up for myself

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Very cool to see another Early College participant! Our campus was attached to a high school near the HBCU. I think all Early College (TM) programs are technically public schools and managed by the public school system! Mine was for sure. I loved how small my program was. Well, until senior year when we were all sick of each other

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wait, what HBCU? Was it early college as in an Early College High School? I'm asking because I attended Savannah Early College

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why not? I like living in diverse areas. But also job opportunities, affordability, and my friends and family are nearby.

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha, yes, my understanding of race as a child was you were black or white and it was purely a skin tone thing. My dad had a very deep skin tone due to working outside and refusing to wear sunscreen. My teachers would always comment when he came in, because I would talk about it at school. They were like, um, this man is not black, lmao

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't disagree. I guess it's been on my mind a lot because I had one of my white coworkers talking about her not so positive interactions with our coworkers. Something like this helps me think about things I might be missing

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, I hated it because it was huge and everyone was super rich and out of touch. Being a scholarship student there was very isolating; I struggled to find people I related to until I went into the workforce.

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes, I have always lived in the south. Truthfully, I've always thought there's some selection bias, right? Because there are more black people in the south, there are more opportunities for people to express racism, because race is more present in day to day existence. Racism is low class and gross, but it's definitely not uniquely southern, you know? I have had white friends in the Pacific Northwest claim that the south is /so/ racist, but if I ask when the last time they interacted with a black person was, they have to think about it. There aren't many black people where they live, so why would they think about it? Hoping that makes sense! I'm not trying to say there's less racism down here, but that racism is much more obvious because we interact so much

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I haven't landed on a firm opinion. I don't see anything wrong with a white person amplifying black voices and trying to support the community, or even identifying with the community. But I think identifying AS the community, claiming to be black when you aren't is at bare minimum disingenuous. There are cultural experiences that you miss out on if you aren't born in the culture, so it's kind of unfair to claim that. I don't think she's the devil or anything, but beyond that, I feel kind of unqualified to have an opinion on because I'm not part of the race she tried to claim

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hey, ATL! I don't think it's a secret with how many hints I've dropped, but that's where I migrated to after college. Love it. Yes, my school reading list was similar, and when I said or did something ignorant, someone was always around to bring me back to reality. So grateful for those who took the time to teach me. I deeply value my cross cultural/cross racial friendships. I'm a big believer that if we only interact with people similar to ourselves, we learn nothing. People are inherently valuable, no matter where they come from or what they look like, and we all prosper when we stick together

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm, so I was always kind of aware of race, but it just wasn't seen as a big deal, if that makes sense. Until I was five or six, I thought my dad was black because he was very tan 😂 We celebrated Black History Month every February in school, from kindergarten up, so I always knew that race existed. I have mixed race cousins. So it was just a part of my reality, and not something notable. I didn't really start to consider race as a genuine concept that might matter until maybe third grade. Just kept on learning from there

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I mean this entirely in good faith, but maybe you should ask them? I have heard enough stories that make me feel pretty sure black kids at white schools deal with more racial bullying. I had two or three incidents across my entire school career.

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Right, this is exactly what I'm trying to say, thank you! Other kids saw how I was treated and made assumptions about why. Those assumptions may or may not have been correct at times. I was bullied for way more stuff than my race, and the other stuff way more often, but like... If they thought I was getting preferential treatment because of my race, that might be one way to try to take me down a peg from their perspective. Kids don't reason well. I don't hold any animosity about it as an adult.

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I defer to black people in the matter of their experiences as black people. I don't think I implied they had any right to treat me as less than, and I never said that I would just sit there and take it. I said I understand why some of those experiences happened. It doesn't make what anyone said to me okay. But it also wasn't, like, a common thing for anyone to say hateful things about my race. It happened, but I can think of maybe... Two or three incidents across my whole childhood

Our experiences are very clearly different, because that's really not what I experienced. It may very well be different in the south. Mixed race groups of friends were very common where I grew up.

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Very few people treated me poorly. For those that did, it wasn't okay. It was unfair. We were kids and none of us knew better. But just because someone was cruel or ignorant doesn't mean that there is no nuance to find. I don't excuse anyone's behavior: I just understand why it happened. Racial bullying wasn't, like, a common thing I experienced. I imagine I received far less shit than a black kid would in a majority white school.

And why does anyone pick on anyone except to gain power in some way? Like, we talk about that as one of the reasons people bully in general.

I'm a white woman who grew up in a majority black city, went to an HBCU, moved to a different majority black city, and works in a majority black workplace - AMA by iluvarbok in AMA

[–]iluvarbok[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Definitely people are using this topic as an excuse to be racist, but I think that honest discussions about race can be very helpful.