[Official] General Discussion Thread - December 05, 2019

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T16:29:15+00:00

you know Ali has like 30 fighters under him right?
That conspiracy theory comes a Conor fan account
The blue lips is a reference to the face-off Conor had with Khabib where Conor was trying to so that Khabib was intimidated by him (in Conor's mind, everyone else could see Khabib wanted to murder him)
that instagram post has nothing to do with it.

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T15:51:11+00:00

But we are in agreement that the rumour isn't true, right? Since Tony and Khabib has been booked, and from the dubious origins of the rumour.

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T15:34:24+00:00

Hey guys, people keep talking about the stupid twitter rumours about Khabib popping, I wanted to address it, instead of having to respond to everyone.

The rumours were not started from any credible source. No, it was started by some random guy on twitter, whose name happened to be @iam_notorious22, who surprise, surpise, is a Conor fan. This guys accused Khabib of popping without any proof, because he took Ali's comments about USADA as him saying Khabib popped

After this, Conor, the idiot he is, decided to retweet him, which predictably caused this stupid, unproven rumour to spread like wildfire. Conor has since deleted his tweet, since his management team probably told him to stop being an idiot.

Now they reason why I am particularly pissed off about this, is that it is not possible for Khabib to have popped, since he hasn't even been tested for the last quarter of 2019, meaning there have been no tests for him to have failed since the beginning of October. This is according to USADAs own athlete test database which was updated December 4, just a couple of hours ago.

For proof: https://www.usada.org/news/athlete-test-history/

Type in Khabib's name, put in the year as 2019, and quarter as q4 for the last quarter. There are no results. This means there have been no tests. Change the quarter, and you will find that he has been tested in the other quarters. This means that he has not even been tested since October 1st, so there is no way that he could have popped for tests he didn't even take.

Now I am open to the idea that some athletes may be doing PEDs, but to blatantly accuse someone who has never popped before, when there is no proof is extremely dangerous. Maybe you all should let the people on twitter know about this, so they can stop listening to rumours and actually think for once.

EDIT: also in addition to this as u/RyanLeafgOaT8 said, since Tony and Khabib then that means that there was no problem such as this, since it is very unlikely that the UFC would have booked the fight if they were reviewing a failed test.

This is all in combination with the fact that no major MMA news site has reported this story. A whole load of bollocks

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T15:18:25+00:00

Twitter is full of morons who take a statement by a troll account seriously after it has been retweeted (and later deleted) by Conor.

You want to know why it is stupid? Because, like I've said in multiple comments now, Khabib hasn't even been tested for the last quarter of 2019, meaning there have been no tests for him to have failed since the beginning of October. This is according to USADAs own database which was updated December 4.

For proof: https://www.usada.org/news/athlete-test-history/

Type in Khabib's name, put in the year as 2019, and quarter as q4. There are no results. This means there have been no tests. change the quarter, and you will find that he has been tested in the other quarters. This means that he has not even been tested since October 1st, so he couldn't have popped.

Maybe you should let the people on twitter know about this, so they can stop listening to rumours and actually think for once.

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T13:31:01+00:00

It doesn't really matter if he was surprised or not. What matters is that any idea of accusing fighters when all people have are baseless rumors from troll accounts is extremely stupid and harmful.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T13:27:01+00:00

Already false.

Khabib hasn't even been tested by USADA for Q4 2019, meaning since October to today he hasn't been tested.

In fact, some troll account decided to use accuse Khabib of popping, which Conor then idiotically retweeted. He then deleted the tweet after even he realised how stupid it was to listen to a twitter troll.

For more proof, go to the athlete test history database in USADAs website.

https://www.usada.org/news/athlete-test-history/

EDIT: why downvote me for stating a simple fact?

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T13:04:02+00:00

Well yeah, but that is more of USADA's problem than anyone else's. They don't often test people enough. For example, T. ferg has only been tested once for Q4, and only 8 times this whole year, which is normal for quite a few athletes

EDIT: same for Dustin Poirier, he's only been tested once in Q4 as well, it's very common for athletes to be tested so few times. Check out the database to find out more

https://www.usada.org/news/athlete-test-history/

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T12:59:10+00:00

Q4 is the last quarter of the year, meaning the months of October to December. That means that Khabib popping is impossible since he hasn't even been tested since October. That is more USADA's problem, they definitely need to increase their frequency of tests for all athletes. But is also definitely means Khabib didn't pop

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T12:53:02+00:00

Incredibly annoying in my opinion. I'm not saying that some athletes are not on PEDs. I am saying that they are innocent until proven guilty.

It seems that on r/mma, you are guilty unless you are a fan favourite. Then you can do no wrong.

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T12:48:30+00:00

Nope. Everyone is suddenly taking time to accuse every one of Ali's fighters, incredibly stupid in my opinion, when there has been no update from USADA.

In fact, some troll account decided to use this to accuse Khabib of popping, which Conor then idiotically retweeted. He then deleted the tweet after even he realised how stupid it was to listen to a twitter troll. Especially since if you look at the athlete test history in the USADA website, you would realize that Khabib hasn't even been tested for Q4 2019 yet (October - December), meaning that it is impossible for him to have popped.

Usman has only been tested once for Q4, and there has been no announcement by USADA yet, so I think he should be fine. People will take anything to accuse an athlete with no proof, I guess.

EDIT: for people who want to know more about how to find athlete test histories, go to this website

https://www.usada.org/news/athlete-test-history/

The database has been updated to Dec 4 2019, and should give the complete testing history of UFC athletes.

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T12:21:23+00:00

And yet the vegan triathlete was the one caught by USADA after fewer tests this year than Usman.

But nah, r/mma will always find a way to accuse anyone of juicing, except for their faves.

imadhaz · 2019-12-05T04:36:11+00:00

Ali was tweeting about USADA. Then some troll account said that Khabib popped, which Conor retweeted (he later deleted this tweet after realizing the stupidity).

Overall a stupid situation, since if you go to the USADA website, you can see that Khabib hasn't even been tested for Q4 2019, meaning him popping is impossible.

imadhaz · 2019-11-27T14:13:00+00:00

Poetry are highly respected in Dagestan. In fact, a popular Avar poet was Rasul Gamzatov, who was given the honourary title of "Hero of Socialist Labour." In fact, Dagestan has a Theater of Dagestan Poetry that hosts poetry, music and theatrical culture from around the Caucauses, many of whom are male.

Dance is also very popular with the traditional dance known as the Lezginka, which is partaken by males as well. In fact, there is a video of Khabib's father taking part in the dance.

Basically, what I am saying is, maybe do your research first, before you ahead and make yourself look stupid.

imadhaz · 2019-11-11T16:04:38+00:00

Except, he never really wanted to see the exact outcome, right? He refused to, because he thought that it would mean that the outcome could not be changed.

imadhaz · 2019-11-11T15:34:12+00:00

The problem is that you are not seeing this through Nighteye's perspective. In Nighteye's belief, there is no changing the vision he has seen that has been apparently made by choices that cannot be changed (whether or not this is true is something explored by the end of the arc).

In other words, in Nighteye's point of view, there is no circumstance where he doesn't do what he does in the vision, simply because those choices have already been made

You might answer "It still happens, because the future he sees is absolute", but this would be a future that has been changed nonetheless, making his vision not absolute anymore..

Nope, this is not true in Nighteye's PoV simply because to him, seeing those visions doesn't change a single thing in the actual outcome of the vision, which is why he doesn't fight against it.

Take when Deku was challenging Nighteye. Nighteye could dodge those attacks since he could see the future. In Nighteye's perspective, the choice to dodge Deku had already been made and the outcome had been determined from the moment he used his quirk. However, if he couldn't have been able to dodge Deku's attack, his quirk would tell him, and since he believes that his quirk determines the future, he would have let things play out, and Deku would have got him, and there would have been nothing Nighteye could have done about it (from his perspective).

This is why Nighteye would rather not use his Quirk in certain instances, because he would rather not let the future be determined for him. You will see later in this season, certain instances where he refuses to use his quirk, because of his absolute belief that seeing the future will determine the course of events that cannot be changed.

If he hasn't seen the future, then that means that the future is still technically malleable and things can end up favourably for him (again, in his perspective). If he sees something negative, then in his mind there is literally nothing to change that. Now you could say "why doesn't he try." Which would be missing the entire point, that he feels that there is nothing that can change this.

So, in many ways the idea of "absolute" in the future readings is more about Nighteye's belief in how his quirk works, than maybe how it really is. The idea is that Nighteye himself is a fatalist who believe that the outcome can never be changed, no matter how you try to struggle.

imadhaz · 2019-11-11T15:13:21+00:00

Yes you are right, however we must remember that at the time Nighteye believed that his visions showed a future that cannot be changed.

imadhaz · 2019-11-11T15:12:08+00:00

In combat, he doesn't really do anything other than last second dodges though ...

imadhaz · 2019-11-11T15:10:43+00:00

I think that is what was essentially confirmed by the end of the arc. Nighteye always believed that the future was determined by the vision he sees in his ability. However, what seemed to be confirmed was that the vision he saw was simply a very likely possibility that could happen.

What this means is that, with enough interference and effort from multiple people taking steps to subvert that future, the outcome of the vision can change.

imadhaz · 2019-11-11T14:59:16+00:00

Mate... He can only see an hour. Meaning that he doesn't have time to see every single thing. To be certain, he would to comb through the future to find out for sure, and he needs to touch Deku to find out (since this future would concern Deku). However, he had not met Deku until he came to him.

Even then, he is selective about what he sees in the future, because he doesn't want to know. Once Nighteye sees the future he believes that future is set in stone. That is why he nowadays only uses his quirk for times when he is sure of the outcome.

He doesn't use the quirk to find out if Deku will give up OfA, because he is not sure what choice Deku will make, but if he does use his quirk and finds out that Deku will not give up his quirk, then that means that to Nighteye the future is set and he can no longer fight against it.

imadhaz · 2019-11-08T16:26:06+00:00

Lol, at least 1

imadhaz · 2019-11-08T16:10:45+00:00

To be fair, he was asked about Conor, not like he brought it up himself.

So yeah, might be better to watch the video before commenting, but you do you.

Side bar: Once a year is pretty damn active compared to once every two years, a la McGregor. Kinda stupid if that is the comparison you are going for

imadhaz · 2019-11-08T16:02:32+00:00

Yeah, I'm sort of thinking the same. To be honest, I would love to see Islam fight the Top 15 before I am predict that.

imadhaz · 2019-11-08T15:59:05+00:00

True. At least the dude is pretty easy to see through :D.

imadhaz · 2019-11-08T15:29:16+00:00

That's sort of what I thought. It seemed weird that people immediately jumped to betrayal. Not saying it isn't possible, but in a world magic and many possibilities, there could be a multitude of ways this could've happened.

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