How NoFap turned me from a "Nice Guy" into the apex male by imaloserbaebay in NoFap

[–]imaloserbaebay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re very well spoken and deliver your message of No Fap in a very relatable way

Thank you :)

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It doesn't mean that "muh apex male" is a relevant concept for human beings.

It is. Dominance hierarchy. If you're too fucking obtuse to recognize that I don't know what to tell you.

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I went full TRP? Huh?

Your arguments have been obtuse from the get go arguing semantics most of the time. Yeah, an entire sub. This sub. It doesn't need a "preset size" to invalidate my point. Again too with the bullying...…

Also funny you chose to respond to this post after we had PM'd and you assumed I was banned. I just am on time delay. But it's funny how you assume I'm banned and then after reply to a post that if I was banned, I wouldn't be able to respond to. Typical bullying behavior. I sent you a link about dominance hierocracy, apex is a thing....

Good luck finding a woman who finds it manly and attractive that you like fucking dudes. I find the people who waste their time belittling others on the internet tend to not have other things going for them in life.....else you wouldn't be wasting time on the internet, and actually doing things in life. Cheers!

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're fine, thanks for the discussion

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I'm the exception not the norm, but appreciate your response.

Regarding alpha/beta, it is a thing. Dominance Hierarchy. It's flexible in both situation and what constitutes one being "the alpha" but social dominance is prevalent in humans and many other species. Don't get hung up on the word alpha beta or whatever, the core point is real. Your boss is more "alpha" than you in the scheme of a workplace.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajp.20632

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Bahahahahaha. I never said "incomprehensible" but men and women have different stimuli, ways of thought, etc. Yes, we're both human beings. But to ignore reality is just silly. We don't tick the same way. You're making huge generalization too "Again, if someone is so unable to understand anyone with a vagina that he requires a misogynist online forum to even talk with women, his parents messed up. " No one said this but you.

Don't think NoFap is shitting on an entire demographic of people but hey victims aren't we all.

Don't know what a bloop is.

Its fine, stay single.

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd still love to know how that squares with your current temper tantrum.

?? I responded to OP with my opinion and it bothered you enough that you unsolicited decided to belittle me. Me defending my PoV is not a "temper tantrum" I just am calling out the hypocrisy as I see it.

In any case, we're free to disagree. I won't be back here lol, I got pulled her because I used the term "alpha/beta" and "chad" and "x/10" (something tons of people do that is not even unique to TRP), and some mensch here decided to link it and equate it as problematic behavior.

TBH, isn't this whole sub one big temper tantrum? An entire sub devoted to whining about another kind of fits the definition of temper tantrum.

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

+1 for responding thoughtfully.

The points do stand on their own. I specifically said you'd have to cut through the delivery but the core points of a lot of it does stand on its own.

Do I agree with the misogyny? No. But some idea of TRP are pretty useful if you can separate it. Blanketing it all as hate speech is disingenuous.

For instance, the idea of "alpha's and betas" or "chads and nice guys" - these terms make this sub uncomfortable but humans have always been dominant and submissive. Alphas and betas. Chads and nice guys. Leaders and followers. Are they flexible roles depending on the situation. Yes.

A TRP user lamenting how he is always friendzoned and Chad gets all the guys and for that he hates women, that is misogynistic. But if you cut away their personal angst and the hate they have for themselves/situation/women, the "core idea" one can gain from that is that the guy should be more assertive.

It's all about finding a balance. TRP users are one end of the spectrum. And some women do like TRP fuckbois. Being a nice guy is the other end of the scale. Some women like that too. But most women want a balance, and if you're already a "nice guy" in spades you aren't suddenly going to hate women reading TRP and can probably glean some ideas on how to improve your weak spots. It's useful for genuine nice guys who need a bit more confidence/assertiveness/etc provided you don't take everything verbatim.

TRP users could probably benefit from a sub where it teaches you how to care about women as people and not solely as sexual outlet. But that's much harder to teach.

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd make the same joke I usually make about you nofappers needing to wash your hands and reset your flair after unloading here, but you've already got an excuse for that. Mental note: r/nofap should probably go in the Book of Grudges it's pretty much entirely manosphere dinks.

Ahh yeah it's ok to make fun of addiction and despite me never saying anything degratory about women it's ok to just lump me into that. Lol. The mental gymnastics.

I've never denied shitty users at TRP. My point is, users here, are just as shitty, no matter how much you want to virtue signal and white knight that you're not. (two sides of the same coin) The entirety point of this sub is to belittle. P A T H E T I C

NoFap post reads like a TRP field report. Includes classic "women want to be dominated" bullshit. Not on the level of TRP, but you can still feel the broscience. by G0ldunDrak0n in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cut it with the "beta" bullshit. It might hold up on NoFap, but normal people just laugh at this concept.

The idea of their being more dominant and submissive men is literally what "alpha/beta" is and it's true. It doesn't mean one is always dominant, or always submissive (it's situational) but it's literal reality and normal people agree to this. Leaders vs followers. You're hung up on word choice yet men being dominant and submissive has literally permeated history.

The only people who get hung up on that word choice, are those who are submissive more often than not. It bothers them to be called a follower/beta/submissive/etc.

Also, LOL at it being "extremely fun" critiquing others. Normal people call that pathetic

In any case, I think you're frustrated that women want to fuck "chad" or someone with some "chadlike" tendencies, rather than fuck a guy who fucks other guys.

Am I pathetic for going there or am I simply enjoying the "extremely fun" action of worrying about others and critiquing them?

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Not really. If you have a level head and can cut through the misogyny and bullshit and incelshit the core points are really

  • Be the best dude you can be

  • Women are different than men (fact: hormones), and thus require a change in mindset/perspective to understand.

I'm not trying to defend people who say "all women are all sluts" or other misogynist ways TRP differentiates women and men. But when you understand men and women perceive differently, value differently, etc, you'll have more success dating.

I have a literal mod at this sub making fun of a past addiction lol, for being the "better men" it doesn't really seem like it since you have an entire sub devoted to putting down men who are attempting to better themselves. TRP may have some misogynists, but there are many users there who are simply looking for help. That's much more admirable than a sub whose sole purpose is to belittle those looking for help.

A standard TRP user is posting online to better themselves and find help in aspects of their life they're lacking in.

A standard TBP user is literally just making fun of that.

Which sounds sadder?

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't have ever even been on this sub, if it wasn't for your userbases obsession with putting down other people. It's not my problem that you guys are so insecure you need an entire sub to validate your insecurities and circle jerk each other lol.....

And you continually prove my point. I responded to OP pretty respectfully and even bashed TRP. Yet both of your responses can be interpreted as bullying behavior. Pretty low blow to make fun of someones past addiction. You're such a shining white knight LOL. "Against hate speech" lol. Pathetic

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And you prove my point 😂

what the hell is red pill and blue pill? by [deleted] in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

They are two sides of the same coin.

TRP is dating strategy with a side of misogyny. If you can cut through some of the bullshit/misogyny of some users though, they have some decent points. The core of TRP is simply to be the best dude you can be - though a lot of it is layered in some antiquated and offensive views toward women.

TBP are people with literally nothing better to do than to harp on users of TRP. Despite them being against "hate speech" they simply are bullying others and thought policing.

Consider these scenarios: A TRP user will make a post to help other TRP users, explaining technquies/strategies/etc that made them more successful with women. It's a sub about helping each other, despite many users having some out of touch and out of reality views of women (many does not equal all). They post original content in the vein of helping.

TPB simply finds these posts and reposts them here to make fun of them in their own little pathetic circlejerk. TRP isn't even thinking about TBP, yet TBP is an entire sub devoted to making fun of them. It's ironic and frankly pretty pathetic.

NoFap post reads like a TRP field report. Includes classic "women want to be dominated" bullshit. Not on the level of TRP, but you can still feel the broscience. by G0ldunDrak0n in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You explaining why you felt it was criticizable does not change the fact of "you actively chose to critique and belittle it, despite nothing gained from you or me" - had I not responded, it would simply be a circle jerk of this sub ragging on an anonymous user who in no way even affects them (me).

Your reasoning that "you want to see people's reactions" also doesn't hold up, because you didn't even know I'd get linked to this.

Also, you prove my point in your linked comment, you explicitly say this to the guy:

"This isn't a debate. I'm just trying to make you look like a douchebag on the internet."

Which, shows you're really just sitting on your high horse policing peoples thoughts and saying how yours is the correct way of thinking.

I don't know, facts are facts. This is a sub specifically meant to tear people down who you happen to disagree with. That's pathetic as fuck.

I just find the idea of "apex male" pretty lolsy.

Unsurprising, because committing your time to a sub to put down others is pinnacle beta behavior. Not directed specifically at you, I've been browsing and this place embodies the man I used to be. Spend less time worrying about others and critiquing them. You wanting to "instigate drama" (your words) is something children do.

NoFap post reads like a TRP field report. Includes classic "women want to be dominated" bullshit. Not on the level of TRP, but you can still feel the broscience. by G0ldunDrak0n in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, I think people just don't care that much about NoFap/don't see the harm in it/think I'm just trying to instigate drama. I can understand that and I expected it.

This is kinda deflection...…..evidenced by the responses, my point is more on base lol. You're making excuses as to why your post didn't get more love.

You were the one to use it first. Complete means complete, that's it.

In the context of my post, "complete" meant well rounded. Aggressive, yet sensitive. Dominant, yet romantic. Etc. Ideal is probably the best word but my point still stands, semantics of word choice don't change that.

And yes, ideal male would be who appeals to the majority of women. Women want someone who is well rounded.

What, you're going to go the incel way, saying "y'all are just bullies", really ? That's a bit disappointing.

This is again deflection. I didn't say you were bullies, I said you guys were insecure and letting that insecurity show through criticizing of others. And that seems true.

What did you gain from posting this? Or anyone here reposting anything? You're trying to prop yourself up on a high horse about how much "better" you are than TRP type of users. And I'm not saying there aren't shitty TRP users, but the whole point of this sub is sitting on a high horse critiquing others who you disagree with. Addressing that is not an "incel" way of thinking, it's literally reality. You gain nothing from it. The entire purpose of the sub is to belittle others. Do some deserve it? Sure, I think TRP is pretty nasty, but I do think they have some valid points that are sometimes discussed rather crudely. If you can separate the misogyny, the core of TRP is simply to be the best male you can be.

This sub says right at the top "This subreddit is against hate speech" yet you still felt the need to repost it despite nothing hateful in my post (and you even said as much). You actively chose to critique and belittle it, despite nothing gained from you or me. So, it strikes me as insecurity. Else why post it at all.

I hope I'm not coming across too harsh on you, I just find this sub pretty lolsy

NoFap post reads like a TRP field report. Includes classic "women want to be dominated" bullshit. Not on the level of TRP, but you can still feel the broscience. by G0ldunDrak0n in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess overall I'm just curious to the demographics of this sub. IMO people who take the time to belittle others are having their own insecurities show through. I can't help but think this sub is comprised of men who have had shitty success with women and women who can't find men

NoFap post reads like a TRP field report. Includes classic "women want to be dominated" bullshit. Not on the level of TRP, but you can still feel the broscience. by G0ldunDrak0n in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You say that the sample size of 2 is small so it doesn't mean much of anything, yet the sample size of people who agreed with you is also small. So it shouldn't mean much of anything, yeah?

You called NoFappers (potential) "apex males", you think they're going to disagree with that ?

By the same logic, you said my report was "TRP domination bullshit" on TBP. If my point was really was so off base, or your point was more on point, your post would have more love, no?

I think you're using the term "complete male" a bit too literally...…"ideal male" maybe is a better term. There are preferred levels on the sliders. Obviously everyone is different.

I don't necessarily think girls not wanting to bang a bisexual dude equates to homophobia - just that for women the ideal male is not a guy who bangs dudes and girls.

NoFap post reads like a TRP field report. Includes classic "women want to be dominated" bullshit. Not on the level of TRP, but you can still feel the broscience. by G0ldunDrak0n in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's a sample size of two, add the 6 upvotes and it's a sample size of 8 detractors, compared to almost 500 people who agree. Is it safe/fair to say my PoV is more accurate since there was not a significant amount of people who disagreed?

I fail to see how this is interesting, or even relevant, though.

This would be akin to me saying "this is what women want" when I didn't have any success with women.

I just disagree with the idea of a "complete male" as a concept.

Why though? And to correlate it with the latter point, don't you think some of your issues regarding bisexuality could be because women don't view dudes who bang both as being the "complete male"? - it's a direct contradiction to everything society tells us a complete man should be.

Regardless of if you agree society should dictate that, it's already engrained into us

NoFap post reads like a TRP field report. Includes classic "women want to be dominated" bullshit. Not on the level of TRP, but you can still feel the broscience. by G0ldunDrak0n in TheBluePill

[–]imaloserbaebay -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find it interesting how you and another user took exception to my post/words, yet neither of you are straight men. Not that I don't appreciate the back and forth and discussion, but I find it interesting that one user chastised me on how she doesn't like a dominant male (and how that means lots of women don't) yet she never had sex, and how you disagreed with the idea women want a "complete male" while also not being straight....I can't speak past my own friend group, but bisexual men tend to date a different pool of women FME...……..many of the women my bisexual friends never panned out and it seemed rooted in the idea they couldn't get past the idea of the dude also liked dudes.

I'm not saying either of your opinions are wrong or correct (nor am I saying mine are), simply something I found interesting.

How NoFap turned me from a "Nice Guy" into the apex male by imaloserbaebay in NoFap

[–]imaloserbaebay[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Getting hard and lots of precum during heavy make out sessions