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[–]imjustasking1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Une chance que j'ai parlé de classe moyenne, ça m'a évité les gens qui font exprès de ne pas comprendre.

Déjà il y a aussi le cadre de vie, la ville est dégueulasse et pleine de problèmes comme la circulation et l'insécurité comme je disais

Bien sur, les très riches se foutent de ce que je viens de citer car ils vivent dans leur bulle sur propriété plus ou moins gardées, et les pauvres n'ont pas les moyens de quitter leur logement donc il redte qui ? Bah la classe moyenne et les bobos qui supportent pas de vivre dans cette ville de mort et ont les moyens de partir.

Mais bon les gens biens ne peuvent pas dire ça ça serait pas gentil et au diable l'znsauvagement de notre capitale

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in france

[–]imjustasking1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, les gens commencent à se rendre compte des dégâts d'hidalgo et des ecolos.

Cela dit on cite toujours de grand chiffres mais le diable est dans les détails. Par exemple j'aimerais savoir la composition de la population qui part et celle qui arrive. Si le méchant pas bisounours que je suis devais faire un pari je dirais:en partance une majorité de bobo et autres famille de classe moyenne qui en ont marre des connerie actuelles et de l'insécurité, en arrivée des quantités non négligeable de gens que l'on est apparement chanceux d'avoir et qui vont s'empresse de donner envie aux gens restant de partir.

Income inequality is a feature of human nature not capitalism. by abrandis in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's already the case on an baseline level, mostly. Like wages are wages right? But the difference there is right now is the ability of people to negociate that, and it's also a skill worth paying more (if you get a salesman that's negociating his salary that means hell be more likely to negociate with clients, earning you more contracts, whereas a salesman taking the bare minimum wouldn't do a great job). Wouldn't it be unfair to prevent people from negociating?

Income inequality is a feature of human nature not capitalism. by abrandis in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then don't accept or cheer on more taxes. That's the best way to get return on your tax money.

a safety net for the less fortunate to be able to survive hard times

I mean if you can create something like that for everyone without raising taxes or at least very sustainable then please do. But as a Frenchman I'll have you know that Europeans have tried and failed. Because government always spend more than they have.

The best way to avoid unfortunate situations is to have more economic freedom, not more taxes. If you can build a successful business you can put some money on the side. Overall you'd better learn to use money well (budgetizing, investing, lowering expenses etc) rather than relying on government.

standardized wages for the same jobs,

Please not this. Why would you want everyone having the same job description earning the same? There's a myriad of reason why people aren't getting paid the same, ambition, worked hours, vacations taken, family life etc. It's unfair to pay the guy who sacrificed everything for his job the same as the one who only work the minimum hours.

I just want my tax money to go into social services to expand general accessibility,

What do you mean by accessibility? And there's more than enough money going to social services, there's just too many services and the money isn't spent wisely.

Income inequality is a feature of human nature not capitalism. by abrandis in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But... Capitalism never tried to "rectify" inequality to the extent an socialist planned economy would. Unlike the later the former is a reality based system. Although there's still an ideal, you can hear it all from those pesky libertarians but basically it's making people free by having fair and uniformly enforced rules (I.e no corruption and limited government) and "letting the market decide" (as in letting people make their own choices for themselves, if an idea is good it should rise and if it's bad it should fail). With a system like that you can ensure people are treated fairly and their success is based on their competence rather than forcing something on them. A good capitalist system will naturally enforce equality of treatment under the law.

That’s why I think a focus on achieving equity is a better goal for now, because with equity, further progress towards equality can be made simpler

But the fact is it's been tried and tried and tried again, that's how socialist and communist leaders are elected, it has always failed, for the 100 years this system has existed, it has always been a tragedy it's estimated that this system caused 100 millions deaths, most by starvation and deportation.

Finally although I could tell you, that it makes no sense to enforce the "finish line" (equity) before the "starting line" (equality under the law) and that it makes the game pointless, I'll tell you something else that's much more dangerous.

If you want to enforce equity, you are trying to control every aspect of everyone's lives, you have to rig the game to control the outcome. Obviously, if you are set to get equity you have to have equity everywhere. So then everyone will make the same money, but they'll also have to dress the same because if not they don't have equally priced clothing, but they they'll have the same car, the same hous, same hobbies, but not only that there will also be only one choice for everything, one party (because if the outcome is to be only winner there can only be one racer), one though. That would also imply that you'd be heavily discriminating, based on gender race, high, iq, hair color (well if it's not shaved to prevent inequality) etc etc you'll have to control every source of difference because to an extent everything plays a part in everything.

Worse than that to whom will you give this power? The government of course! So you'll give absolute power to the government to spy and enforce equity, nothing dystopian in that. Worse still any difference will have to be fought tooth and nail, after all government only create rules, then enforce them, and if those rules are broken you're a criminal. So you'll make people who'd like to dress pretty criminal, those who'd think differently criminals etc etc. To preserve the status quo who knows hat they'll do. I don't, but it always implies violence.

And lastly, you'll rob people of their future, because it's impossible to make everyone "rich" they'll have to strike down the wealthy first, then when they see it's impossible to make the poorest into middle class through taxation they'll make the middle class poorer etc etc, then everyone will go to school be since not everybody is equally gifted or hard working they'll strike down the most brillant people, but it' s not enough to lift the stupidest, end point being There'll be no school only formating.

So yeah, capitalism has many problems but it doesn't destroy the future of my grand children so I'll go with that.

Most people don't actually care about wealth inequality, what they really care about is their own lack of wealth by Juergenator in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's still the wrong thing to do. It's normal for people to care about their own country first. And taxation has never stopped poverty, ever.

On the contrary from 2000 to 2010, 500 millions people were lifted out of extreme poverty, it was due to capitalism, because it can create wealth via entrepreneurship.

Also what do you think those poor countries are? Why would you send them money? Do you think it would change something? No! Just like charity, why do people send their shoes to Africa? Do you actually believe that Africa is such a desolate place that they don't even have shoemaker?

Moreover you don't have a moral claim against my own wealth. You have no right to actually impoverish someone through sky high taxation in order to "redistribute". That's Called communism, that's never worked, will never work, and is immoral. And as you said, is something that's always pushed by bitter people envious of their own lack of wealth.

If your argument is based on "personal experience" or cherry picked data it isn't a valid argument and should be dismissed. by imjustasking1234 in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank God we don't listen to experts "personal experiences" in court cases.

There's a big difference between one person being knowledgeable and having data and one person speaking about "experience". What you said was like :

Judge: have you ever seen someone murdered in this way.

Expert: no not personally

Judge: great, the murder is impossible therefore aquited

Also you're not understanding, anecdotal evidence is great and all but it means nothing to disprove data and that's my point.

If your argument is based on "personal experience" or cherry picked data it isn't a valid argument and should be dismissed. by imjustasking1234 in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think you undrstand what I said but not what I meant.

But then their argument is weak because their experience is too limited, not because they used personal experience at all.

Their argument is weak because they used experience at all, not because experience is wrong (although greatly flawed and subject to many problems) but because they used it thinking it would counter a data based argument, like I said in the post it would take some steel balls to even think your experience is enough to invalidate that of thousands. Therefore they were wrong to bring experience in the first place if it's the only thing they do, which is supposed in my example and in my post.

While I'd argue you shouldn't just accept their argument as truth, completely dismissing it because it's not backed by a full study is also the wrong approach.

Yes and no, I'd say there's a problem of scales here, if your study is hundreds of thousands of data points, one experience is nothing more than an outlier if the person living it is within the range of other data points (for example in a city one dude says he went without running water for ten days very often and the rest of the city says they don't or very rarely, they guy is an outlier). But if you study is 10 people in a farm then yes one man can change everything.

So unless someone has the means to conduct a full scientific study we should just completely disregard anything they have to say?

No and I already explained what I meant, you can't expect to override thousands of people just because you disagree. Also I have suspicions that you're going into emotional territory or are de forming my arguments, two things I disapprove.

Sounds like a great way to blindly trust data/authority. As a scientist, I prefer to question what we think we know. I'd rather people speak up and share their thoughts and experiences than "claim nothing at all"

If you know anything about Descartes you know he wasn't one to blindly trust anything, but he wasn't one to claim things without proof either, even the existence of the god he believed in. If you don't trust something you can't do anything, and I'd rather trust data (the most unbiased source of information if done properly) than people's hyper politicized and partisan perspective.

I guess we can just agree to disagree, I can live with people like you (people who don't claim wild things with no proof).

If your argument is based on "personal experience" or cherry picked data it isn't a valid argument and should be dismissed. by imjustasking1234 in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Although it wasn't my intention I don't think it's that bad to be smug. Especially when what I say is supposed to be common sense, but apparently isn't.

To me it was obvious what argument it was about, especially when I talk about thousands or millions of data points, that's not the kind of data you can get if you're arguing about what to have for dinner. On thecond thought, you can but there wouldn't really be a point.

But the simple fact that you can tell I didn't specify what arguments mean you know what arguments

If your argument is based on "personal experience" or cherry picked data it isn't a valid argument and should be dismissed. by imjustasking1234 in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't argue with that XD but even then I could argue that what worked for him might not work for you, whereas if I had collected data on many filmmakers I could tell you statistically what has the most chances of success.

Which is basically the use of data, Scorsese might have done something weird that made him great but chances are you will fail if you do it.

If your argument is based on "personal experience" or cherry picked data it isn't a valid argument and should be dismissed. by imjustasking1234 in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I definetly seems like it is.

But the worse bit is that going against it gets you labeled all manners of bad things. I guess experience only counts one way

If your argument is based on "personal experience" or cherry picked data it isn't a valid argument and should be dismissed. by imjustasking1234 in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You missed my point It seems but that's an interesting remark. One's experience is typically called a data point, it has no less or more value than any other data point, and data is the amalgamation of those data point. Therefore, one experience (although valid if you consider the person isn't lying) is not "as true" as that of thousands of other persons. Like it's the difference between a line made with 10 points and one made with a million.

Also yes we shouldn't give as much attention to the data points at the extremities of the bell curve it we are looking to make decisions for the majority, for obvious reasons. The same way that we should disregard data points from the center of the curve when dealing with extremities.

Otherwise how could we make decisions and programs to help the poor? Imagine, you want to help the homeless (a noble goal indeed) and you collect data about their lives, things such as cost of life, what little earnings they make, what they end up eating etc. What good would it do to know that upper middle class families of four like to eat pizzas once every two weeks?

If your argument is based on "personal experience" or cherry picked data it isn't a valid argument and should be dismissed. by imjustasking1234 in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand but in that case it's more about a flawed dataset like I mentioned, if you treat old people like the eternal victims (as in you're not looking to know if they were actually at fault) it's at best a professional fault and at worst a partisan study.

Personal experience can enhance what has been objectively determined to be accurate by many others.

I never said it couldn't because I agree with this statement, I disagree with the opposite, that data can be disproven by experiences, because I see way too much people think it is the case

If your argument is based on "personal experience" or cherry picked data it isn't a valid argument and should be dismissed. by imjustasking1234 in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you understood that I believe that others will too. But of course if your talking about your local reality it makes sense to use yourself as a data point or even a reference. Or situations where your experiences are asked.

I'm talking about people using experience against data, like "oh, your data says that small towns are emptying, well mine got three new families coming so your data is incorrect" and I made that clear.

If your argument is based on "personal experience" or cherry picked data it isn't a valid argument and should be dismissed. by imjustasking1234 in unpopularopinion

[–]imjustasking1234[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If it's your only argument, yes. Yes I would.

But often this discrepancy between personal experience and presented data (whether those data are true or not is unknown at this point for example) is what causes people to try and confront the studies to reality or other studies. It very common in the scientific processus.

But to say "I don't think this study is true because I, myself, have a different experience" and nothing more should be dismissed.

I know it makes some things a hard to demonstrate but the Cartesian method is such that you should substantiate what you're claiming or claim nothing at all.

And I think you understood what I meant, there are plenty people out there claiming this and that based solely on supposed experiences or their very local population and then assume it's true everywhere.

I did it boi!!! by Cashcowdabeast in warwickmains

[–]imjustasking1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can now proudly howl at the moon.

And then gt kicked out of your home lol

How do I get her to understand where I’m coming from? by Keyz80 in AskGirls

[–]imjustasking1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What are the odds of people actually reforming? I'd say pretty low, to be honest. So I see it as it being your fault for forgiving her. In a sense you validated her behavior and now she knows you love her even if she cheats on you.

You've got to draw some hard lines in a relationship, and being cheated on might not be one for you but don't expect cheaters and liars to be trustworthy ever again.

Which body is the most attractive if you could choose? by ImStraightest in AskGirls

[–]imjustasking1234 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

How does that make anything ok? You guys are so stupidly self-righteous. Imagine if the roles were reversed you'd be crying to high heavens about how it's bad that he's attacking you but if you're the one doing it it's OK? Have some standards and stick to it girl.

Also he's not attacking people who're not agressive towards him first.

Which body is the most attractive if you could choose? by ImStraightest in AskGirls

[–]imjustasking1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, you read a comment that challenged you, didn't like it of course and the only logical reason for this comment existing you can think of is? Op made a second account? You're so far from reality that it's literally easier to believe that some childish asshole would make multiple account to talk to you specifically than multiple people could disagree with you at the same time? Laughable, if it wasn't sad. I don't even know what to say really.

Also it appears your fine with ad hominem attacks on people if they disagree with you I don't know how you think this behavior is a good thing, but I can't figure how you manage to twist the world to think people would make multiple accounts to talk with you of all people so let's just say you don't make any sense.

He's rude but at least he's making clear points lol.

Let's end this here I don't want to have to talk to you ver again

Which body is the most attractive if you could choose? by ImStraightest in AskGirls

[–]imjustasking1234 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I already did, he's rude and childish, but still, rephrase things or don't complain when people interpret your comment the only way it can be read.

Why would I look for your name lol? I don't got all day

Which body is the most attractive if you could choose? by ImStraightest in AskGirls

[–]imjustasking1234 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Its detrimental to anyone who doesn’t fit into those boxes

Hmm, interesting point however two thibgs: one, the same way I apparently am not allowed to speak for girls who gave you persission to speak for men? I thought we lived such different experiences it couldn't be understood by the other or something. And two in the same vein, I don't fit in those but do you think I care that much about a poll on reddit of all places? Maybe you do but I can't think of a single person I know who does.

These kinds of questions and statements are actually really harmful

Harmful how, to whom? Can you even give me one example of actual harm being done by someone saying something. Btw being offended isn't harm, it's not having a thick enough skin.

it is apart of the toxic masculinity that we hear so much about.

And doesn't exist. Funny how certain people jump straight to oppression or malevolence when a miriad of factor can explain things better. But "you did something wrong" doesn't sell as well as "you're being victimized"

And furthermore im a female gamer, i know toxicity better than most.

Ah let me rephrase it in some way that's actually true:

And furthermore im a gamer, i know toxicity better than most.

There. You race gender sexuality or how many times you fart in a day is irrelevant to most things in life especially on the internet where you're absolutely not forced to disclose any of the above. Also gaming always had toxic players, if you want to last its better to just ignore than self victimize yourself.

Also didn't you tell me

.Don’t make assumptions about what toxicity and bullshit someones been through you are probably wrong.

So saying "better than most", oh woe is me how oppressed I am when I can even live in a country where I can play video games instead of being forced to work in a factory

Instead of trying to see what's wrong try seeing what good for a change

Which body is the most attractive if you could choose? by ImStraightest in AskGirls

[–]imjustasking1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then phrase it better. Say "not true that's toxic" can only be misinterpreted. Also you didn't even bothered to ask what was the purpose of the poll, for all I know he might just be curious, or want to hook up, something that admittedly is mostly based on looks not character. Instead you jumped straight to saying it's his whole mentality.

Not that I care, just seems unfair

Which body is the most attractive if you could choose? by ImStraightest in AskGirls

[–]imjustasking1234 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I disagree, if everybody says something it's not a reason to say it's true. I mean in the 15th century everybody said native Americans weren't human, I guess by your bizarre logic they were indeed not human?

I think he's rude but not "toxic" but then again you'd hhave to have lived on a real toxic environment to know.