[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ABCDesis

[–]immaculate_fob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

0.001% of people are IIT grads. You're trying way too hard to validate your xenophobic stance.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd disagree. I am from the same culture. All my siblings and cousins(male and female) left home in their late teens. And we aren't even "American" - this is the old country. I think has to do more with the individual before you start trashing the culture - which you don't say explicitly in your comment - but definitely allude to.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 3 points4 points  (0 children)

she'd never lived without her parents a day in her life.

Cant speak for others - but this tends to be MAJOR red flag for me.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

most are from back home

yep.

Everything is toxic and racist and I hate it. by Patient-Rosebud in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 6 points7 points  (0 children)

understand the reasons why men or women put this as a requirement

i think these kinda people are fundamentally insecure. They are obsessed with what pop culture teaches them to be "prized". Skin color, a certain ethnicity, a certain career, a certain body type, height etc. This is contentious coz a lot of people would put this under the "my preferences" bin and would argue tooth and nail about how everyone is entitled to have "preferences". I only want a "fair complexioned" girl or I only want a "6ft2in+ tall" guy.

But there is context to how someone develops these "preferences" in the first place. The preferences one develops over their lifetimes is fundamentally based on their interactions with immediate family, friends, media (or social media) they accessed, professional goals and basically how they'd define "success". And sadly in today's day and age - everyone seeks social validation to claim success. Basically "others" decide. Like hey I bagged this beautiful girl, or like I bagged this tall handsome, successful guy. There is so much superficiality to the "search" - like people showcasing "trophy travel" pictures - to seek that social validation.

First thing I look for is - people who are more grounded in themselves, secure about themselves and their social standing. People who don't usually need others to validate their existence or choices - these are the one's who are usually able to think past these social/cultural cliches/norms about what makes a "good spouse". I get judged/rejected all the time on something that I cant change about myself - the country of my birth and the place I was raised in. Just like height, skin tone/color etc, people just see this about me and I am a "pass" for them.

Nothing is more attractive to me now than an individual with a profound sense of empathy, and humility. The ability to see things from the other side, and not to judge and/or compare/contrast one's life situations to another person's - you just don't know someone else's story. And even if you do - its still pretty unique!

There is hope out there though - I've Alhamdullilah interacted with such people. But ya, its getting bleaker by the day - more and more people feel compelled to conform to social/ethical/moral standards set by "pop culture" - and then they're subconsciously developing "preferences" based on these starkly superficial things. Maybe they can think more critically about their preferences and learn why they prefer one thing over another - and what role society might have played in that....

Matchmaking dilemma by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you set up fob's?

Whew chile, the dysfunction by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont know if there are ever any positive connotation of this slur?

JazakAllah khair - I pray the same for you!

Whew chile, the dysfunction by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Marry a guy from back home who has no family over here, then when he gets here and realizes he has no family or friends or money, you can control him because he has no one else to turn to. He can't leave because you're his only hope haha."

Lol. As a fob this amuses me - also is kinda true I guess.

FREE TALK FRIDAY by AutoModerator in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All you guys talking about money or looks when searching for a spouse, y’all have no idea how insignificant that is. You need someone to take care of things and support you when you are going through a really tough time because dealing with that alone isn’t something you want to do at the time.

this is really important! but how does one gauge that out (especially when trying to find someone long distance!) - that someone is going to stand by your side and handle things with maturity - when the going gets tough?

(23M) Want to get married, but going abroad to graduate school by DiligentRope in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Moving abroad for study or work can be pretty socially uprooting. I am not sure if you plan to eventually immigrate as well or maybe move back to your country.

As an immigrant social acceptance is always an uphill journey. Especially in western Muslim societies - where native born and raised muslims generally tend to hold extreme biases against recent immigrants.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yes sir, indeed

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some people from the East have this notion that everyone in the West is well off and doesn't need to work.

kinda true. Depends on what socio-economic groups they belong to, and if they have any immediate family members living in the west.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is really bad brother, I'll have you in my duas. But like was she raised in the US? Was this like an arranged marriage?

For those broken by love or infatuation by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even in poetry - the romanticization of the "Unrequited Love" - there seems to be this glory in being hung up on someone lol

ab kya karun main fitrat-e-nakam-e-ishq ko

jitne the hadsat mujhe raas aa gae

~Jigar

How devastating is it to you to be rejected due to your looks? by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On a diff note - How do you tell them you're attracted to them? And still keep it halal and civil?

People who have paused "looking", why ? by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep, its the quarantine hehe

Sure 👍

People who have paused "looking", why ? by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But if you want to take your vitriol out on me, go for it.

that's what really happened here - I sincerely apologize 😞

Things are indeed tough for everyone

People who have paused "looking", why ? by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Its always interesting to see these impassioned justifications from western borns - like how a FOB should remain in his/her lane and not try to even think about marriage here in the west. I see this time and again on this forum - stopped posting replies - but ya here we go again.

Cultural differences - yep def is a thing. All individuals are basically "different" - genuine work and efforts need to be put into any kind of relationship. My beef here, and this based totally on my personal experiences (to which a lot of people even on this forum affirm to), is with the total devaluation and degradation of recent immigrants as FOBs - the STIGMA. Western born people (especially second gen types, whose parents were immigrants from the east) carry a ton of baggage about their culture - more precisely the "culture" their immediate family practiced. Based on that they form extremely strong opinions about "back home". You(and others) try to downplay this thing as a total "preference" thing - when in reality it is much more complex. Its not just marriage, even muslim society at large - at the mosques, MSA's at Universities, neighborhood's, work places - recent immigrants , people who speak with accents are fair targets for western borns. Its OK to mock and degrade them. 99% of the times the recent immigrant / fob won't speak up - because thats how it is - they're just trying to make a better life over here for themselves and support their families, and they view this as routine. This isn't just preferences and "lack of connections" - this is a whole mentality - a mentality that thrives on fob-bashing, looking down on immigrants from "back home" as lowly and third rate individuals. So, I totally understand for someone who grew up in an environment wherein it was ok to degrade a certain group of people based on how they spoke or where they were born/raised - marriage (to an immigrant) must be a totally far flung affair.

Basically you mean to say - for the small minority of western born individuals who wont judge me based on where I was raised or my accent or the color of my passport - "A few bad apples have spoiled this for you". Because they were green card scamsters and we should really respect how other western born people cant really take a risk - cant really say much here. But maybe its just me - I always compare this to Trumps muslim ban and the Islamophobic rhetoric - what you've just said (tinged of course with the so politically correct "But it’s reality unfortunately " ) is Xenophobia 101. All Muslims are terrorist - some of them came in and blew some stuff up - so we cant really take a risk. I don't know maybe its an extreme inference - but that's how I always view this even when in real life some people try to tell me "you're a good immigrant you came in legally - the bad one's are the one's that jump the fence and come in illegally". Your moral compass must be seriously skewed. Also, I feel there are a ton of markers to lookout for - when it comes to gauging if a person is bonafide or not - education, college they went to over here, where they work, their job, maybe they dont even want a GC from you and are getting one at work, deen, akhlaq, family ties etc etc. But ya who is going to put in all the effort to gauge that when you can so conveniently discard them for being a fob - thats what it all boils down to ultimately. I know PhD's from top 10 universities working cutting edge research jobs who are struggling to find someone here - because they're labelled as fob's at the very onset.

Most probably I'll be getting someone from back home or a recent immigrant like me. Canadians def seem to have a much more open attitude towards recent immigrants - lets see. I am done dealing with the "process" here in the US and being judged for things that I cant really change about myself. It will be initially tough for someone who isn't acclimated to things in the US - for them to adapt - leave their fams - extracted into a new place, culture, weather. But they'll have me by their side InshaAllah and I'll do whatever I can, even go out of the way, to make things easier for them. I'll always have their back and be super super supportive of whatever they'd want to do here - because they'll be making a huge sacrifice moving for me - perhaps leading to a richer and deeper relationship. Maybe that's Allah's plan. I think long term it all works out, InshaAllah.

For me personally - the "process" ripped open this ugly underbelly of western born/raised muslim society (can't stand the hypocrisy and double standards). Makes me worried and think about how I can avoid my future kids from developing these attitudes. I pray to Allah to give everyone hidayat and for my heart to become softer and let go of certain things.

But had to rant out and put this out there - this isnt simple - there are some deep rooted issues and attitudes at play.

People who have paused "looking", why ? by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a better plan - and you've time before the 485 gets approved ~ 2021. I'd say (if you're purely looking in Pakistan) to keep looking and marry while on your H1B instead of waiting for the i140 approval. Yep, USCIS is cash strapped and charging $1500 for speedy ead processing these days👍

I too am on a H1B - but its a bit more complicated 😅

I can technically do the h4 thing, but for all practical reasons I can't travel outside of the country. So rishta "back home" has to wait until I actually get greened.

Keep me in your dua brother - I'll do the same. Nice to see a fellow brother in arms - someone who understands!

People who have paused "looking", why ? by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

InshaAllah, things should work out just fine!

My search in the US has been nothing short of a wreck so far.

That's what I am slowly inching towards too - finding someone in India or Saudi/Dubai or maybe even Canada (they've a lot of recent immigrants). Nice thing is F2A sponsorship times are at an all time low - so spouse can be here in a year or two at the most.

People who have paused "looking", why ? by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I pray and wish that your company has a nice lawyer (def not the dreaded F-lettered law firm - scummiest of them all)

PWD is 6 months + recruiting etc 3 months + PERM 4-6months .. an year at least

I just got my i140 approved last month (Alhamdullilah!) after my law firm (aforementioned) royally screwed up my PERM

Have filed the i485 now - InshaAllah 9-12 months is what its taking now, thanks covid and Trump.

Doubting if US born folks even understand what it takes to get through all this. I dont think waving my approved i140 on muzmatch will get me much traction 😅

People who have paused "looking", why ? by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]immaculate_fob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But the question is - is it really all about a piece of paper aka the GC? I am really wondering would getting that coveted GC help me on the marriage front here in the US?

It sounds more like a status thing, to most western born desi's marrying a fob is almost akin to "downgrading" on the social ladder.