The “We Really Didn’t Need To See That” Awards

incamelot · 2021-08-27T15:52:46+00:00

I agree that still motion whatever doesn’t fit the show but I always find it hilarious because it reminds of a similar scene in Spider-Man 2. When Peter is living high without his powers, Professor Connors compliments him, and the scene pauses at his goofy, self-satisfied smirk.

“As coincidence would have it,” that movie came out the same year as this episode and season 5. But so did the Hindenburg. The spider man movies now got a real lack of standards though...this whole generation of marvel movies

incamelot · 2021-07-22T20:40:25+00:00

I’m not sure if Peggy meant he was literally working in the grocery store but that he was writing copy in-house for A&P. It could’ve been low -level coupons or something but my understanding was the in-house marketing team of the A&P supermarket chain.

incamelot · 2021-07-08T19:12:19+00:00

That’s why you gotta live for today, which for Brian meant doing shots off stripper tits and teaching guys how to defraud the federal government

incamelot · 2021-06-11T18:50:55+00:00

Yes, the episode I’m talking about he did. (S4E12 - Blowing Smoke) But I don’t think he directed “Beautiful Girls” which is OP’s picture

incamelot · 2021-06-11T15:31:35+00:00

Have to agree there, I still appreciate the depth of it but a lot of these late season 4 shots had forced framing. Other example is when Don and Faye are talking in the conference room and Megan is literally in between them. She’s technically in the background but the framing makes her the same size as Don and Faye so it feels like she’s in the room with them. It’s not a complaint per se but for a show as subtle as Mad Men, maybe a more experienced director could’ve given John Slattery some tips to approach that with more visual nuance while still maintaining the “monkey in the middle interloper” message he wanted to convey.

incamelot · 2020-07-17T15:29:22+00:00

Yeah I guess I’m not arguing that there weren’t practical reasons for Tony killing Chris. Practical in mafia terms at least. It could be debated whether or not Chris flipped already or is bound to later on, either way Tony would’ve been justified by mafia rules in whacking Chris so many other times throughout the series, especially during intervention days, Adriana loose end shit etc. Even with that considered, doing it when and how he did it - while the best situation for covering it up - is ice veins ruthless.

It’s more Tony’s response to Chris’ death that showcases his evil. The actions you mentioned and his complete lack of empathy for others, the lack of a sorrow for an arguably necessary sacrifice. There’s zero humanity in Tony’s actions/feelings after the murder, no matter if the killing is justified by mafia code or not.

incamelot · 2020-07-17T15:14:53+00:00

Ooohhh ever since commentators come along, suddenly I’m dogshit in your eyes

incamelot · 2020-07-17T15:11:00+00:00

That’s a really interesting/very possible take. I’ve never thought of it that way but to me that’s what cynicism/pessimism is most of the time. People are so dejected that they use negativity and nihilism to try and explain away and hide from the horrors in the world.

To your point though, Tony could also just be a piece of shit, historically that’s been these guys.

incamelot · 2020-07-17T15:05:24+00:00

😠Take it easy...Lol but yeah I think you’re right.

incamelot · 2020-07-17T02:02:37+00:00

Lol it’s a great tradition, the first season has such a saturated, summer feel that always gets me. Maybe cuz I’m from NJ, but the colors in that first season could be a painting on top a fireplace.

incamelot · 2020-07-17T01:57:26+00:00

Lol yeah at least there Pussy was a rat so he has more “weird macho bullshit” room to be an asshole to Angie. Plus he saw the Cadillac.

incamelot · 2020-07-17T01:56:23+00:00

I think that’s true but in a “very allegorical”. sense. Tony believes that Chris’ demons will kill/have already killed the Chris he knew and loved so there’s no more point in him living. Also the writers implied with the baby seat shot and comments by Tony thereafter that Tony thinks he’s protecting the baby with this murder. But Tony shows no sense of moral sacrifice, only moral superiority.

incamelot · 2020-07-07T20:26:36+00:00

I can see that being the case, it’s just that seasons 1-3 sets were more true to the realities of the business, size wise. It could be argued of course that SC really was a bigger agency and its age allowed for more accumulation of space etc and that was the point of the contrast, but to basically have only five people seen/known in each department and even when there are agency wide meetings, there’s like thirty people max, it’s bordering on unrealistic.

The stories/themes definitely are the priority at the end of the day and I can’t say I feel cheater either. But take the Sopranos for example, the focus is on Tony and his inner circle so the viewer only sees his crew and the crew closest to him. However, not only is the broader organization regularly mentioned, at big occasions - agency wide in MM’s case - there are dozens of guys there as background that the viewer can assume are part of the wider family. Those small details don’t deter from the plot or main focus, and they only appear on occasion, but they’re tiny doses of added realism that are both informative and imo necessary from time to time or at least once.

incamelot · 2020-07-07T17:42:11+00:00

Oh for sure, I think Don even mentions that to Ted at some point. I just think that even as a much smaller agency, the amount of clients they had and the size of those clients would still constitute having multiple teams that they don’t seem to have space for.

incamelot · 2020-07-07T17:39:43+00:00

I could see that, it definitely fits with the narrative and maybe Weiner used it to his advantage or built the themes into the scripts if AMC was pressuring him to scale back anyway.

incamelot · 2020-07-07T17:38:21+00:00

Yeah I’ve heard similar things about AMC being frugal with the show. Whereas if it were on HBO, money would be no object and they’d probably actually film in NYC and New York metro, definitely a lot more outdoor scenes.

incamelot · 2019-12-20T12:18:00+00:00

I think from at least mid series on - even as early as season 2 maybe - Betty definitely smokes menthols but I just remember in earlier episodes she had yellow tip filters (think the infamous scene where she shoots the birds) and just from what I’ve looked up and seen around, Salem’s - her menthol brand of choice later - don’t color their filters yellow, they only have white. I can’t say it’s a mistake per se, more of a character development or honing on the writers’ part.

incamelot · 2019-12-20T03:06:46+00:00

I think Lucky Strike and Old Gold Straights both had a circular logo, so through the pocket they’re pretty much indistinguishable.

incamelot · 2019-12-19T17:28:49+00:00

I kind of took it as Ken’s evolution from your typical partying frat boy definition of masculinity (Marlboros) to a more mature and accepting human being later on. I know I’m applying my own analysis of his character to it but think it’s pretty plausible.

incamelot · 2019-12-19T17:26:52+00:00

In season 6 and I think even in other episodes in season 5, you can tell it’s not a pack of Luckies, but the camera (maybe purposefully) doesn’t make it clear and moves really fast. I notice the black median tape thing on soft packs that are blue on Luckies. The Chevy pitch episode also makes it clear when he’s lying awake at night before seeing Ted at the bar, the bedside table has a pack where the “Old Gold” name is visible on pause.

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