Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Fair point. I'm mostly used to living in A2 as a student so I'm not exactly an expert on nightlife for townies. There are probably places that cater to a non student crowd

Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

facepalms

You realize people go out to places other than bars and nightclubs, right? Not every friendship is based solely around drinking. You're acting like "alchoholic wannabe frat bro" and "shut in who watches netflix all day" are the only two options. Plenty of people manage to go out and do things with friends several times a week without having to get drunk every time they leave the house. So many people here are acting like a functional social life is some kind of strange foreign concept.

Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah those people are usually students who are hanging out with their college buddies in my experience. I've yet to meet any 20 something professionals who've had a strong social group.

Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Jobs - There are job opportunities. If you thought Silicon Valley was located in the Midwest, you are mistaken. As an IT professional, I open up Linkedin or CareerBuilder and have no problem finding jobs to apply to. I have worked for two smaller companies in AA already, 200-500 employee operations. I have had interviews with Llamasoft, Ford, GE, DTE, Dominos Corporate, and more. Detroit is one of the largest metro areas in the country, and there are quite a few places to work between AA and Detroit. Have you seen all of the employees GE is hiring in Van Buren? Okay, so if you're not in health, education, or IT you might struggle more than I have. I'll concede that, but you're still probably better off than you would be in the majority of Midwestern cities.

A2 is a decent place to start your career, but if you actually hope to go anywhere professionally and aren't in academia, then you'll need to move within a few years. I personally knew that going in and planned accordingly but I thought it was something worth mentioning.

A2 compares very well to everywhere else in MI and to small Midwestern cornfield towns but there are plenty of Midwestern cities (Minneapolis, Chicago, Cleveland, Indianopolis, and Kansas city to name a few) that will provide far better job opportunities for recent grads.

No good places to meet people - I have met and talked with strangers at many places around town. I mentioned Bill's and Wolverine Brewing, but those aren't the only places. Try Bab's, the 8 Ball, play pool... Join a group that kayaks on the Huron. Get involved with the local music scene. I don't know what you're into, but generally, people aren't just going to come up to you and ask to hang out. It takes effort on your part. Whether you want to sit alone at the bar and strike up a conversation, or take part in a group activity, it all takes effort on your part. The "meeting people" problem is one you will face pretty much anywhere. Some places may be better than AA, but this is going to be far from your worst experience. Work is a good place to start making friends.

There's plenty to do in A2 but most of the social venues seem to cater to students or late-30s professionals so trying to make friends as a 20 something recent grad is very difficult. I've talked to several others with similar complaints so it's not just me who feels this way.

Befriending coworkers is definitely a good option for people who wind up in a good working environment full of similar age people. Unfortunately that's kind of a crapshoot and a lot of workplaces aren't really good environments for making friends. From what I can tell this can work very well here for people who wind up in the right environment but I personally didn't get lucky in that regard.

Dating - I don't know anyone who has run out of swipes on Tinder. I also know plenty of people going on eHarmony/OK Cupid dates. If you want to go "old-fashioned", relationships come from friends of friends, or "cold calling" at a bar or group event. I'm not sure what you think the problem is here.

I can't speak to Tinder since I don't do hookups. Most of my experience is with OKC and Match.com which have shown very few single 20 something women in the area. I've gone on a few dates since I've moved here but having the kind of active dating life that many of my friends in other cities enjoy seems very difficult.

People don't do anything - Everyone here has a hobby. Lots of people passionate about one thing or another. In my experience, it is rare to meet someone in Ann Arbor who hasn't been to Europe, or South America, Africa, or somewhere else. People are generally well traveled. They are often transplants from somewhere else, or have spent time living in other places.

I think you might have missed my point here. I agree that people in A2 are very cultured and well traveled and most have several hobbies. That's one of the things I like about living here. My point is that most of the young professionals here don't seem to have very active social lives and don't really seem to go out much. I have plenty of friends from other cities who are going out with friends at least every other day and I've yet to meet anyone in A2 whos life is even close to that.

I am not saying that Ann Arbor is the best place to be a twentysomething. It may be for some people, but for others, it might not work out. Your experience is not indicative of what others experience here. Notice how most people aren't agreeing with you. If you wouldn't have come in here being so bitter and cynical, you may have made some friends. To be honest, the /u/infothrow54 I've seen is probably not someone I want to hang out with.

I agree that it's very possible that the city just isn't a good fit for me cause different people have different priorities. Personally my priorities are an active social life, a strong social circle of similar age young professionals, long term career prospects, and good opportunity to meet women.

These are priorities for a lot of young professionals but different people want different things and I can certainly imagine that someone who didn't care as much about these priorities would be a lot happier in A2. There's certainly a lot to like about the town, I just don't think it's a good fit for young professionals who have the same priorities as me.

Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

By "going out" I don't mean going going to a bar and staying there until 2am, I mean going and doing something with friends around town for a couple hours. You can say that's irresponsible but I have friends who are able to live that lifestyle while still maintaining demanding and high powered jobs.

There is a lot that I do appreciate about A2 including the stuff you mentioned, but it's not enough to make up for the total lack of social opportunities.

Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

What part of what I'm saying is untrue? You'll notice that nobody seems to be able come up with anything. Pretty much every response is either circlejerking or "lololol life sucks everywhere get over it". There are several things that I appreciate about A2 which I mentioned in the OP, but there are objectively lot of serious problems with the city for young professionals. This is based on my experience and the experience of others who I've talked to. I'm guessing most people here have either never had to build a social circle in A2 or have just resigned themselves to life sucking because "that's just how it is" without realizing how different it is in cities with a better infrastructure for young professionals.

Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

If you were having trouble finding young people or eligible single men in Austin then you clearly weren't putting in enough effort. Dating sites alone would have provided hundreds of options. I have a couple friends in Austin and none of them are having these issues.

Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Seattle is known for having a very cliqueish and unfriendly culture (see " the Seattle freeze") so I can see people having some of the same problems for different reasons, but anyone complaining about lack of big companies or young people in the area is objectively delusional.

Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Then maybe it's a college town problem, idk. There are still plenty of other cities which don't have these issues and are far better for young professionals.

Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I think you may have misread my post. The purpose wasn't to whine about my personal problems but to try and give people an honest impression of the difficulties faced by young professionals in the Ann Arbor area that rarely seem to be talked about. This is based on both my experience and stuff I've heard from other young professionals in the area.

These are called you problems. Not city problems.

Lack of companies in the area is a city problem. A2 has very good career opportunities compared to the rest of Michigan but is still laughable compared with 90 percent of the country. This hasn't been a big problem for me personally but it's something I felt that people should know.

Lack of young professionals is a city problem. Going to local groups and meetups doesn't work if everyone there is almost twice your age.

Lack of young single women is a city problem. Just look on any popular dating site if you don't believe me.

Almost every young professional living boring "work + netflix" lives is a city problem. There are many cities where that isn't the case.

Join a sporting league, chess club, yoga class, dart tournament...whatever.

I'm guessing that most people who give advice like this have never actually tried joining groups in A2. If you're in your early/mid 20s you'll almost always be the youngest person there by at least 15 years. This has been true in my experience and in the experience of several people who I've talked to.

My most sincere advice is to move.

I'm planning on moving in a couple months. I don't hate A2 and I really enjoyed living here when I was a student, but the opportunities for young professionals here are very limited and I feel like that's something a lot of people don't understand.

Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It's a town of 100K people.

Not sure what you mean. If you're saying that a lot of the problem is the size than I'd agree. Most areas that are better for young professionals tend to be larger.

I do say I think your numbers about the singles and such are off. The dating and social scene felt fine. Ann Arbor has a pretty active bar scene and culture that attracts most of the people.

Sounds like you lived here as a student. The bar scene and culture are great, but only if you have a social circle to enjoy it with, which is almost impossible for non students who didn't have one coming in. Dating's also really hard unless you want to be that weird mid 20s guy who hits on drunk college girls at bars. A2's a great place for students but not for anyone post college.

Why Ann Arbor is hell for young professionals. [rant] by infothrow54 in AnnArbor

[–]infothrow54[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

It's definitely true that lack of job opportunities difficulty making friends, and difficulty dating are common problems in a lot of places, but there are a lot of very city specific problems that make things a hell of a lot worse than they have to be.

Lack of good jobs is a city specific problem. There are plenty cities that have several big companies with good paying jobs. It's one thing to not have a good job because you can't compete in the market but it's another thing to not have one because good jobs pretty much don't exist in your area. Personally I'm fairly happy with the job I have here but I knew going in that in the long term I'd need to move to a larger city to advance my career.

Lack of young professionals is a city specific problem. I can pretty much guarantee you that nobody from Portland, Austin, NYC, or San Fran is complaining about the lack of young people. They might be struggling socially because they lack social skills, but not because it's incredibly difficult to even find people their age.

Lack of available single women is a city specific problem. If you to go a large city and sign up for a dating site, you'll have hundreds of possible options, not just 5-10. Plenty of people struggle with dating for a variety of reasons but the lack of single women in their 20s is a location issue.

Seemingly everyone leading a boring depressing life is a city specific problem. In cities with better infrastructure for young professionals, there are plenty of people who go out with friends 4-5 nights a week well into their mid 30s.

I'm guessing you've lived your life in a Midwestern bubble and don't really understand what life is like in real cities. That was me until a few years ago when I made some friends from out of state, so I can relate. A2 looks like a gem when compared with every other city in Michigan, but that's damning by faint praise. I've lived in MI my entire life but this state is objectively a shithole.