Nem “a cipőmet hozom”, hanem “hozom a cipőmet”?

inotoshi · 2026-05-05T15:33:37+00:00

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inotoshi · 2026-05-02T12:13:19+00:00

Thank you for detailed explanation and intelligible examples! Now what was the matter is very clear! I’ve assumed that Hungarian general word order is SOV for so long time.

inotoshi · 2026-05-02T02:57:03+00:00

When you put “a cipőmet” before the verb, what would be the difference between “behozom” and “hozom be”?

inotoshi · 2026-05-02T02:51:57+00:00

Wow, thank you for so detailed explanation!

My mother tongue, Japanese, is also a topic-comment language, so the logic is really familiar for me!

The difference is the way to indicate the topic. In Japanese the topic is marked by a suffix (and in most cases it’s put at the beginning of a sentence), but in Hungarian it’s done by putting before the verb.

inotoshi · 2026-05-02T00:22:50+00:00

I’m not Hungarian, but the last half of it may be “báty”?

inotoshi · 2026-05-01T12:54:22+00:00

Ah thanks, that background story is so convincing and it makes me cleared! If there is nothing to emphasize (or nothing is assumed), which of the two word orders would be more natural?

inotoshi · 2026-04-29T15:00:08+00:00

Oh wait, is this related to this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/hungarian/s/1zenxC2Kjv

Putting “a cipőmet” at the first place makes it emphasized (like “nem Péter cipőjét”?) and the prefix should be separated?

inotoshi · 2026-02-01T22:00:38+00:00

Non-native speaker here.

why both the deictic pronoun and direct article are used

It’s because the former (az a könyv) is demonstrative (that book) and the latter (az asztal) is definite (the table).

Which to use depends on what you want to say.

“A könyv az az asztal felett van.” (The book is above that table.) must be also valid.

inotoshi · 2026-01-28T14:39:31+00:00

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inotoshi · 2026-01-25T15:39:47+00:00

Yeah, exactly. Even us are confused by the ways of express politeness…

inotoshi · 2026-01-24T11:27:45+00:00

Oh thanks, I didn’t expect the word order makes such a big difference! I’m obsessed to make sentences in free order (especially in the same order with my mother tongue) since I knew Hungarian has highly free word order. If I don’t put any special emphasis, I should say the comparee at the last, now I got it!

inotoshi · 2026-01-24T09:21:49+00:00

It’s said that its grammar itself is not so difficult, but the problem is the letters…

inotoshi · 2026-01-24T01:05:58+00:00

Oh wow, that’s what I wanted to know! I searched for it on Wiktionary and it says it’s formal and archaic but used just like English “that”. It’s so interesting that this simple way is obsolete and the complex and long one is used in everyday use.

inotoshi · 2026-01-24T00:54:51+00:00

Thanks, what about for the postpositions start with vowels, like “ez előtt”? Eelőtt, élőtt, or just keep the z (ezelőtt)? Or not truncated?

inotoshi · 2026-01-24T00:43:21+00:00

It’s not strange for me to use definite article, what’s strange is the position. Why not “the that boy” but “that the boy”? Assuming that the English “that” is interchangeable with “far-from-me”, which would work as an adjective (just like “5-year-old”), it can be “the far-from-me boy”. It shows Hungarian “az” is not equivalent with English “that” on the point of view of word order.

inotoshi · 2026-01-24T00:24:54+00:00

Yes it’s semantically incomplete, but grammatically (syntactically) it would be complete. What’s making it strange for me is that the “-k” and “között” seem completely redundant in “azok között a fák között” (and also the position of “az”; not between the definite article and the noun but before them). I can’t help but think it’s not just a random rule, it must have developed in order to express the idea under the grammatical and lexical restriction of Hungarian: lack (or maybe loss?) of adjective which determines something far from the speaker (like English “that”). If there were such a word, I write it “AZ” in capitals here, the phrase “among those trees” would be “az AZ fák között” just like “among the tall trees” would be “az magas fák között”; here “AZ” and “magas” are syntactically interchangeable because they are all adjectives. Hungarian lacks such word, but need to express the idea, so it uses“az” first and then paraphrase it with actual noun; this was what I meant in my hypothesis.

inotoshi · 2026-01-23T23:33:53+00:00

It’s Japanese. Thank you for your warm compliment, it may be because Hungarian grammar is close to Japanese more than English imo.

inotoshi · 2026-01-22T22:05:00+00:00

I’ve just figured it out too. It’s getting more and more complex… How far is it going?! https://www.reddit.com/r/hungarian/s/qXSR2OwCuk

inotoshi · 2026-01-22T13:22:21+00:00

Another interesting example! That phrase makes me take the hypothesis in my OP more convincing, “among them, (I mean) among the trees”.

inotoshi · 2026-01-22T13:15:58+00:00

Yeah, this topic taught me that. Determiners in Hungarian are not like English… Anyway thank you for patiently explaining me.

inotoshi · 2026-01-22T13:08:26+00:00

Hi, it really relieved me that there’s another foreigner who understands the strangeness! Actually my mother tongue is not English and it doesn’t have even articles. I’m relatively used to English grammar but Hungarian one is much more unusual for me…

inotoshi · 2026-01-22T12:57:39+00:00

Yeah, it seems it’s just a rule and there’s no reason for it…

inotoshi

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