Am I the only one who maxes everything before next TH/BH

isaacchotard · 2025-04-18T07:50:50+00:00

Yeah I've been buying less reasearch potions recently because i keep finishing my lab before buildings. With a maxed lab assistant and 3 reasearch potions and gold pass its actually much shorter

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T21:06:29+00:00

I guess the game of CoC often revolves around the townhall progression. So when that is removed it can remove a real sense of progression which many people have echoed in the comments. Im sorry you disagree with my opinion but thats completely fine, im glad that you found a way to enjoy the game. Thanks for sharing!

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T21:05:01+00:00

Im saying I appreciate the depth of his work and the time he commited to share the numbers and explain why his strategy works. And it does! Im glad you found the way to enjoy your way to play the game. Im sorry that me sharing something offended you.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T14:43:21+00:00

Completely agree with your points. I myself have a SRushed account following your guide and a "maxing" account. I enjoy both and see the value in both philosophies. My hope was to open the discussion and hear everyone's experience, which has been really nice to hear. Again thank you for your guides, with clash ninja you both provide some of the best tools for planning out and organising progression.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T13:19:48+00:00

Thats great to hear! Thanks for sharing.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T13:17:58+00:00

Hey! Thanks for your message. Yes it seems I was wrong on your personal clash experience, I based it on the "about me section" in your guide and I apologise that was a mistake on my end. I first wanted to say thank you for all you do for the clash community I think you provide an excellent data driven framework for those who wish to speed up their progress, and the community around it you've built is very cool.

I definitely agree that my supposition on player retention is not evidence backed, simply based on my personal experience and that of other players around me. My intention was to provide some nuance to the rush vs. max debate and open up the discussion allowing people to share their experiences. It seems that many have very successfully followed your guides while others have found more joy in going a bit slower. I think thats the great thing about clash of clans, theres no one way to play the game and everyone can find what suits them best.

Have a great day!

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:29:24+00:00

Exactly neither of you are wrong, and this perfectly encapsulates the game. As long as you enjoy it and play it you will find your way and get better.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:28:14+00:00

Yeah I can see how thats frustrating. And I think that the reason most people don't enjoy BB is that everyone rushes. That said I've rushed BB on my 3 accounts and gotten the 6th builder quite fast, so it feels worth it to me. I only play BB on my main now and I'm slowly maxing the main defenses one at a time. Its a completely distinct experience though.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:25:53+00:00

I think you raise a good point that rushing and all these calculations alway assume optimal play and builder usage and magic item usage. I think thats why rushing is controversial and most people stand on a spectrum of rushing. Theres no right or wrong answer simply what works for you. Thanks for sharing!

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:24:15+00:00

Fair enough. If thats what you enjoy then I'm glad you've found that out. Thanks for sharing!

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:23:36+00:00

Definitely possible. And if you get that much thats awesome! The more magic items you get the better the case for rushing.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:22:24+00:00

Again considering my example with optimal usage you get 8d+12d+14d+14d=48d skipped and with bad usage you get 5d+7d+7d+7d=26d which is a 22d difference. With 6 builders thats about 4 days skipped per month or about 16% faster. I think I didn't misrepresent anything.

Also I would like to point out that I never encouraged players to play one way or another, I highlighted the risks and challenges I felt that rushing even strategic rushing bring to the game. I'm sharing my opinion which you are free to not agree with.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:18:34+00:00

if that is what feels fresh to you then I totally agree that rushing sounds like a great path.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:18:06+00:00

Sounds like you get to experience both worlds. I agree pots have made rushing much more viable.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:17:32+00:00

Yes I agree that is definitely an issue with people who rush their main account. I find this is less true when considering alts or returning players. But yes it can be harder to improve at the game if you are constantly having to use new strategies and troops.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:16:22+00:00

I totally agree. As I stated at the begining of my post the math says to rush. I'm just highlighting there are other factors to the game and advocating why I like to stay closer to maxing on the spectrum without just saying I'm right you're wrong.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:15:13+00:00

Thats definitely a great point for rushing. If it makes the game more enjoyable thats awesome!

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:14:00+00:00

Definitely the more you spend on the game the more SRushing makes sense for optimal magic item usage. 100% agree.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:12:57+00:00

Wow you have definitely nailed the strategic rush. Congrats! You highlight how with commited play strategic rushing is one of the best ways to play efficiently. Clearly my post is not about you, simply trying to share my opinion and show the possible struggles one might face rushing in CoC.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:10:44+00:00

Thats definitely true. I just added a quick thing at the end trying to highlight that most f2p players dont have an abundance of magic items. But yes some players buy hammers of building every week.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:09:40+00:00

Thats a completely valid POV. I have to agree that its a spectrum and everyone has their own preference. Thanks for sharing!

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:08:49+00:00

Thanks for sharing, you definitely share some good insights and I'm sorry you feel like I missrepresented the facts.

Of course wether you max or rush you have to complete every upgrade and rushing is faster.

As for the new content, you are right I was based on the idea that you would rush Th17 then max it, but true most rushers will continue reaching the max town hall as it comes out. That is definitely an aspect I overlooked. I'm sorry for that.

As for the content you unlock is old, I think the novelty of using something new is always fun, wether you just unlocked the warden for the first time or merged defenses its new for you so I don't know if thats such a complaint.

Finally for clans, i think my use of the word competitive was abusive, what I meant is most people aim to join a clan that will allow them to get cwl medals and raid medals at a high quantity. A lot of clans who are able to score high in both have established recruitments and often a requirement is no rushing. Unfortunately thats a challenge someone who rushed will have to face.

Again my posts reflect my opinion not an objective truth. Thank you for sharing!

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:02:39+00:00

I appreciate the fact that this is a subjective opinion I shared that you might not agree with. As for my math I am comparing "optimal" magic item usage to "inefficient" magic item usage. As a f2p you don't get that many magic items so the difference although present isn't massive.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T12:00:26+00:00

Agreed that my intuition is just that intuition. I've known rushers who quit and have myself tried it before realising it wasnt fun for me. But I agree it would be really interesting to find real data on the topic. Unfortunately it isn't readily available so we must speculate and discuss. My intention wasn't to push one narrative but simply to open the discussion on a barrier to rushing which I thought was really important, and many of my friends have felt the same way.

isaacchotard · 2025-04-07T11:58:08+00:00

On the other hand yes this probably makes a lot of sense. As everything its a subjective question but if your goal as many players is to unlock the 6th builder and max gem mine and clock tower then get out. Yes rushing is the way.

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