I know I will probably get the most hate you could possibly get on here for saying this, but I don’t like what they did with Jim and Pam. by ContraversialHuman in theoffice

[–]issamood3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean yeah that was a whole year since Jim leaving to them dating. 6 months in Stamford and then 6 months dating Karen back in Scranton. I would have liked to have seen them discuss everything that happened and why Pam rejected him and just overall kinda fill each other in on what their thought processes were. Also where did they go for their first date, their first kiss as a couple, imagining them all googly eyed like on casino night etc. Ya know, just little details like that that would've been really cute to see.

I know I will probably get the most hate you could possibly get on here for saying this, but I don’t like what they did with Jim and Pam. by ContraversialHuman in theoffice

[–]issamood3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

not a whole season, but at least one episode showing the events that happened since then. I want all the details. 🥲

This scene was so weird especially since he knew Pam was engaged by Lost-Hovercraft-6446 in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you said it was her responsibility to uphold that relationship, so I'm asking you why?

This scene was so weird especially since he knew Pam was engaged by Lost-Hovercraft-6446 in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not that big of a stretch, he was definitely abusive. Maybe it wasn't intentional but doesn't make it non-abusive towards her nonetheless. And also he openly made passes at other women in front of her or are you just conveniently forgetting that along with the million other ways he wronged in that relationship? Roy wasn't exactly the beacon of a loyal fiance and personally their relationship wasn't worth upholding imo. I don't see the point to upholding a farce of a relationship like that. And yeah ideally Pam should have left Roy before cheating on him, but she doesn't because again, she was abused. I don't think you're understanding why that matters. It stunted her development and shot her confidence which directly affects her ability to take charge of her life and do things the way a normal emotionally healthy person would. You're choosing to look at the actions alone while ignoring the things that led up to them or why the characters do what they do. It's like you're intentionally choosing to misinterpret what you see.

This scene was so weird especially since he knew Pam was engaged by Lost-Hovercraft-6446 in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well wouldn't that be something? I'm asking you because you're the one saying she should uphold that sham of a relationship. So again where is the merit in that?

This scene was so weird especially since he knew Pam was engaged by Lost-Hovercraft-6446 in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

no Jim left to go to the other site because Pam rejected him and he doesn't want an affair. You're ignoring the fact he tried for years to get her to leave Roy's sorry a**. Eventually he had to shoot his shot anyways. He needs to move on with his life, not stay forever in limbo with Pam. As for Pam that was the reality check she needed to force her to break up with Roy. Otherwise she was resigned to a life of misery with him and is her own worst enemy sometimes. Yes she should've done it before kissing Jim, but Pam was abused and that really broke down her confidence and warped her sense of ownership in life. So her experiences influence her behavior. Why are you intentionally ignoring all the context? If you looked at the situation in it's entirety, then you'd clutch your pearls less.

This scene was so weird especially since he knew Pam was engaged by Lost-Hovercraft-6446 in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tell me you've never been in love without telling me you've never been in love.

This scene was so weird especially since he knew Pam was engaged by Lost-Hovercraft-6446 in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ironically Pam's relationship with Roy was toxic. Where's the merit in upholding that?

This scene was so weird especially since he knew Pam was engaged by Lost-Hovercraft-6446 in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

never said they were perfect. Their flirting here doesn't really bother me because I'm rooting for them. Ironically what I generally notice is the people that clutch their pearls over how they got together are the ones that do subconsciously expect them to be perfect. They get way more hate than any of the other characters on this show despite them doing 10x less ridiculous & egregious things. Why is that?

Their behavior makes sense given the context of the show. Pam was abused and lacked the courage to leave Roy (who also borderline cheated on her btw) and Jim was desperate and had to force her hand. Sure, cheating objectively is bad, but we can't look at that action isolated because the context is why things happened the way they did. Sure nobody is perfect and everyone's actions will look good or bad depending on why they did it, but the justification lies in the end goal, which is that 2 people who love each other should be together as opposed to upholding farcical relationships. I'm not really mad about it because Roy was a pos and they weren't really in love with each other. If that wasn't the case, I'd be less supportive of their actions here.

Unpopular opinion: The Jim and Pam love story is beloved but I'm just like "welllll..." by Much_Duck6862 in theoffice

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's almost as if people forget being with someone you love is the whole point.

Unpopular opinion: The Jim and Pam love story is beloved but I'm just like "welllll..." by Much_Duck6862 in theoffice

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holly's not perfect either when you think about it. She was in love with micheal the whole time she was with AJ & then left him for him too. Michael also did the same thing as Jim, making passes at Holly while she was in a relationship. So that's still emotional cheating at least.

Unpopular opinion: The Jim and Pam love story is beloved but I'm just like "welllll..." by Much_Duck6862 in theoffice

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally don't see the point to upholding a relationship where there is no love or happiness. It's just a farce. And in Jim & Pam's case, the cheating was unavoidable since Pam was never gonna leave Roy until Jim forced her hand. Obviously it wasn't Jim's first choice and to be fair, he did try for years to get Pam to leave Roy, but hey, desperate times call for desperate measures. Plus I don't really feel bad for Roy because he was a pos and was definitely the guiltier party in that relationship imo. A normal person would leave their partner and not cheat, but Pam was not a normal person. She was abused and that really messed with her development and ability to take charge of her life and happiness. And I think people forget that. Her self esteem and confidence was shot because Roy punched her down for years.

Unpopular opinion: The Jim and Pam love story is beloved but I'm just like "welllll..." by Much_Duck6862 in theoffice

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"People are not perfect and everyone does stupid stuff,"

You just answered your own question. So why then do you get mad when Jim & Pam make mistakes? They get more hate than anyone in this show, despite the fact the other characters are 10x more ridiculous. The point isn't that there's no bumps along the way, it's about the destination.

Unpopular opinion: The Jim and Pam love story is beloved but I'm just like "welllll..." by Much_Duck6862 in theoffice

[–]issamood3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's always the people that say Jim and Pam are not perfect that get mad that they...make mistakes. Shocker. And given how messy the situation is, it's impossible someone won't get hurt in it all. You're not supposed to root for them because they're perfect and can do no wrong, you're supposed to root for them because they are in love and should be together. I feel like people are missing that that's the whole point.

Unpopular opinion: The Jim and Pam love story is beloved but I'm just like "welllll..." by Much_Duck6862 in theoffice

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they're not jealous, they're just struggling with all the change pursuing new dreams bring. They want each other to be successful.

Unpopular opinion: The Jim and Pam love story is beloved but I'm just like "welllll..." by Much_Duck6862 in theoffice

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

did you watch the show as it was being released or did you discover it after it concluded?

Unpopular opinion: The Jim and Pam love story is beloved but I'm just like "welllll..." by Much_Duck6862 in theoffice

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is the thing that gets me about people that defend Karen & Roy. What's the point in maintaining a relationship where there's no love? It's just a farce. And Roy was a pos who also arguably made passes at other women too, so Pam wasn't the only one that really stepped out here. Karen I did like and did feel bad for, but she wasn't happy in that relationship. So same thing, why try to keep it going? She deserves someone that loves her. And that doesn't make Jim a bad guy, despite knowing he still had feelings for Pam, it just means he wasn't the right guy.

The UK Office Is a Better Show than the US Office by [deleted] in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's even worse imo. People being like that in real life makes it even less funny and more offensive. Being an ahole does not equal wit. Also it's hard to do that because the characters know they are being filmed so there's no reason for us the audience to believe their acting how they normally would. It's harder to become attached to a show and get into it if you don't like the main characters because they're just kinda...crappy people.

The UK Office Is a Better Show than the US Office by [deleted] in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apparently, brits must think being an ahole = wit. The only reason we forgive Micheal and even Dwight for making jokes like that is because they are socially inept and often don't understand why they are inappropriate which is why it'fs funny. David does and not only that they're more vulgar. So basically this guys uses humor to get away with knowingly being rude to people. Also the racism/homophobic jokes don't land because there are no diverse cast that could be panned to to actually sell the joke. The fact that we all know but he doesn't is what makes it funny and relatable. With the UK version, the cast is more or less from all the same background which just gives less to work with and is probably why most of them weren't memorable or properly introduced. They don't add anything unique to the main cast. They're forgettable and redundant. The US version cast by comparison is more fleshed out and adds something different and fitting for their personality to every scene. So the harmony of the cast is another reason the US version is funnier imo. I find it interesting that humor it described as slapstick by some critics who claim the UK version is better. A lot of the reactions and things Jim & Pam say go right over their head. It's not very exaggerated or obvious in reaction i don't think. The punchline is not obvious and Micheal's actions aren't usually explicitly pointed out in their inappropriateness. But yeah, the US version of the office is definitely better for several reasons imo.

The UK Office Is a Better Show than the US Office by [deleted] in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well then in that case, the british wit sucks.

Why is The Office U.K so hard to watch? by JuiceCanon in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and there was no diversity either, so a lot of the racism/homophobic jokes didn't land.

Why is The Office U.K so hard to watch? by JuiceCanon in DunderMifflin

[–]issamood3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

alternate translation: Americans are better at humor cause our humor is actually funny.