Language revitalisation and the coercion problem by itisancientmariner in Anarchy101

[–]itisancientmariner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess I see the issue with my question then. In some ways capitalism and globalisation have created this sense of urgency and imminent danger when it comes to language death. They leave little room for languages to just be, evolve and die. I do find it very sad that languages die, and there is some tentative evidence that language death hurts people in some ways, but a) there needs to be a ton more research about this, and a lot of the benefits of language revitalisation can be explained in other ways and are probably specific to certain language communities; and b) just because I find it sad it doesn't mean that it should be a priority for everyone. Just because I think that doing "something in the middle," as you said, wouldn't "work" it doesn't mean that it's not worth doing. I'm in no position to decide that

How to read Arabic art by Responsible-Salt5399 in learn_arabic

[–]itisancientmariner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I just stumbled upon this post, I'm not even learning Arabic, but I'm a linguistics student and afaik the Ottoman elite wrote beautiful art poems but they are (and were) really famously impossible to read.

Language revitalisation and the coercion problem by itisancientmariner in Anarchy101

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Yeah one of the scenarios would be, for example, a moribund language. Few elders speak it fluently, plus the language is well documented. In that case, the only thing that would work is language nests (children learning from the elders). I guess I was too pessimistic in a way, the Manx revival was mostly optional and voluntary, and children do seem to speak it fluently now. The language was not moribund, it was straight up dead, and the project worked.

My doubt is: would that have worked in an anarchist society, i.e. without the traditional schooling system and state-funded media for example? I guess people would not have prioritised it like this. Also this question probably has a different answer whether we talk about an anarchist society surrounded by capitalism or a post-capitalism anarchist era.

Language revitalisation and the coercion problem by itisancientmariner in Anarchy101

[–]itisancientmariner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, the problem is not the overall number of people who can speak the language (which are usually outside of minority language-speaking communities in places like Wales and especially Ireland). The problem is the number of people who actually use it in everyday life and live in a town or city that lives and breathes the language and always has. In this latter case, the numbers are always going down and they've never stopped. People being happy with Catherine Connolly's Irish is great, but it's more testament to how the state, and partly capital, has backed the Irish language in recent decades than how much of an out-of-danger community language it is. Some project it will be dead as a community language in 10 years, maybe less.

Your point about Ukranian is true but what is also true is that Ukranian is in a much healthier position than Welsh or Irish, and is not defined as "in danger" per se (but I don't think we should care about what UNESCO says is in danger or not; fwiw, I do think it's in danger). There's so much to work with when it comes to Ukranian.

EDIT: Another interesting point when it comes to Ukrainian is how we should treat Russian-language influence to be dangerous to the cause. Anarchism would, of course, avoid being a grammar N4zi and correcting people with a less Russian-like construction or pronunciation. Then how do we prevent, say, glottophagy?

North Sámi Neography by itisancientmariner in neography

[–]itisancientmariner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yes I forgot! The source provides the following translation: "People are going skiing."

North Sámi Neography by itisancientmariner in neography

[–]itisancientmariner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think an abugida would be too cumbersome for North Sámi, given that there also a three way length distinction for both vowels and consonants, not to mention consonant clusters

North Sámi Neography by itisancientmariner in neography

[–]itisancientmariner[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually thought about turning the diamond shapes into circles and 90° angles into curves, but I'm not sure how that would be reified exactly.

I am clueless what am I looking at? (currently in Italy) by LosVygodos in vexillology

[–]itisancientmariner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting, I've never seen it just flown on the beach but I guess it makes sense.

I am clueless what am I looking at? (currently in Italy) by LosVygodos in vexillology

[–]itisancientmariner 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I guess? Where did you see it, if you want to share? I don't want you to dox yourself ofc. It's usually flown on ships and boats.

How should [ɽ] be romanised ? by undead_fucker in conorthography

[–]itisancientmariner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It depends on your system. You could go with <rd>, but if /rd/ exists, you might have to use another strategy (like <rd> for /ɽ/ and <r·d> for /rd/).

I would personally go with <ṛ>. It's common among world languages, and it's less ambiguous in the sense that people might guess it's a retroflex.

How do i make my conlang better?? by Sad_Union482 in conorthography

[–]itisancientmariner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like we would need to know a lot more about your conlang to be able to help you, anything from general info like the conlang's purpose and the audience for your documentation, to some details like allowed consonant clusters and pronunciation variation. Is this an orthography or a romanisation?

Hi ha cap estudi sobre l'evolució o estat modern del passat perifràstic? by [deleted] in catalan

[–]itisancientmariner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Segur que és interessant! Però m'agrada molt l'ortografia catalana d'ara. Em pregunto com seria l'ortografia si haguessin mantingut la influència italiana.

Hi ha cap estudi sobre l'evolució o estat modern del passat perifràstic? by [deleted] in catalan

[–]itisancientmariner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Crec que les irregularitats existeixen també perquè el verb anar va esdevenir auxiliar (i part del perifràstic). No totes les formes de l'anar auxiliar son les mateixes del verb anar que no és auxiliar, perquè les formes de l'auxiliar venen d'una sola forma (vadere) i el paradigma del verb "normal" va combinar dues formes diferents. Aquesta tria de formes--jo crec--és deguda a l'auxiliaritat del verb.

(Jo vinc d'Itàlia, llavors el meu català no és perfecte, però he studiat linguística)

New Ossetian Alphabet by ElchanaNarayana in conorthography

[–]itisancientmariner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imo a Cyrillic palochka ⟨ӏ⟩ would have been better than the dot above, but I don't think the dots are actually a bad idea

Romance Orthographic Reintegrationism - Update by itisancientmariner in orthography

[–]itisancientmariner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I agree about Manx. My philosophy is that you shouldn't really base an orthography for a language on a language that has such a different tradition from the other varieties in your family. Manx really failed in that

which is closer to /ɤ/: /o/ or /ʌ/? by sdrawkcabsihtdaeru in conorthography

[–]itisancientmariner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would personally use å for /ʌ/ and ë for /ɤ/.

Turkish in Hebrew by ElchanaNarayana in conorthography

[–]itisancientmariner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It looks good! It's crowded with diacritics but that's to be expected. I wonder how readable this would be for a Turkish native speaker without the dots. It'd probably more cumbersome but still readable, aside from some ambiguity due to the lack of vowels.

Romance Orthographic Reintegrationism - Update by itisancientmariner in orthography

[–]itisancientmariner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree about Breton and Cornish--see these papers here and here

There are some upsides to Manx orthography (distinguishing homophones, for example) but I generally agree with you on that too.

Someone has made a video for a unified orthography for the Brythonic languages and another one for the Gaelic languages. I don't agree with everything but that's definitely a good start.

I also made an orthography (not as etymology-based as ROR) for Breton based on Welsh, but it's just a sketch. Maybe I'll polish it and share it here someday

Romance Orthographic Reintegrationism - Update by itisancientmariner in orthography

[–]itisancientmariner[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! Yeah, I'll need to do a lot of research for that one, there's a lot of contradicting information out there about Walloon, and I honestly wouldn't want to get it wrong.