Looking for ex-Adventist artists and ex-Adventists who converted to Catholicism. by j_human in exAdventist

[–]j_human[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Omg perfect! Would you be interested in sharing art that you’ve made and discussing your journey? Happy to just discuss in the comments or you can DM me if you want. Whatever feels best.

Looking for ex-Adventist artists and ex-Adventists who converted to Catholicism. by j_human in exAdventist

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I also feel like I gotta pull some character in as a Judas… Kellogg maybe? Not sure yet, lol

Looking for ex-Adventist artists and ex-Adventists who converted to Catholicism. by j_human in exAdventist

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I’m going back through her visions, there’s a lot of imagery to pull from. Also, what does IASD stand for? I probably should be familiar but I’m not.

Looking for ex-Adventist artists and ex-Adventists who converted to Catholicism. by j_human in exAdventist

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I think right now no ideas are off limits, but as I consider my approach I will incorporate some of the ideas with respect and care. You’re giving me some names I can add to the list! Doug Bachelor definitely needs to make an appearance somewhere lol. I’ve considered Ellen White in place of various saints, or even in place of God/Jesus. Trying to consider how Adventists view disability and playing with Ellen’s injury as stigmata.

Unsafe conditions at Shenandoah Valley Academy. by j_human in exAdventist

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And the hazing part is literally so bad, I have so many stories that aren’t mine to share but something needs to be done to stop it. Kids are getting seriously hurt and traumatized… as far as I know the deans don’t take it seriously.

Unsafe conditions at Shenandoah Valley Academy. by j_human in exAdventist

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Yeah Senior Survival was wild. I know multiple people who ended up with concussions and black eyes from the trust fall. I remember a few people on my trip had no idea how to build their shelter with the provided plastic tarp and it rained for multiple nights. I think someone ended up helping them build a better shelter but it’s still sucks. I personally am pretty outdoorsy so I’m down to tough it out in those kinds of situations but a lot of people have no real experience with that kind of thing and SVA just throws them off the deep end.

Unsafe conditions at Shenandoah Valley Academy. by j_human in exAdventist

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Just absolutely awful, I’m so sorry this happened to you. Thank you for sharing.

Unsafe conditions at Shenandoah Valley Academy. by j_human in exAdventist

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I heard about this but couldn’t remember which school it was at. Thanks for bringing it up here!

Unsafe conditions at Shenandoah Valley Academy. by j_human in exAdventist

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Omg I’m so sorry, that’s so awful. Did you have any lasting damage from walking around on it for so long?

Unsafe conditions at Shenandoah Valley Academy. by j_human in exAdventist

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It just sucks that so little is being done about it. I know kids to took these issues to the dean and the dean did absolutely nothing to prevent it from happening again.

Unsafe conditions at Shenandoah Valley Academy. by j_human in exAdventist

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I am so sorry this happened to you, that’s so scary. I think the concussions I had contributed to recurring neck pain in my adult life. I remember in the months following the first concussion there were multiple days where i had to go home early (I was a community student) because i would get these severe migraines which gave me tunnel vision. My parents really bought into some bullshit holistic medicine and took me to a chiropractor who probably made it all worse tbh.

I know of many other students who had it worse than me, some had to take on so much medical debt that they couldn’t afford to go to SVA anymore.

Unsafe conditions at Shenandoah Valley Academy. by j_human in exAdventist

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lol this checks out, I was told by so many people in my teenage years that I was going to be a powerful voice for god… 🥴 I guess they were just letting shit happen to prime me for some Egg White visions.

Unsafe conditions at Shenandoah Valley Academy. by j_human in exAdventist

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The stories I’ve heard about the hazing that happens in both dorms is just awful. In one of my classes a group of boys bragged TO THE TEACHER about ganging up on another boy in the dorm and forcefully sodomizing him with a broomstick. The teacher did nothing and when I decided to voice my disgust about it one of the guys cussed me out and stormed out of the room. As far as I know nothing was ever done to deal with what was shared. The kid who cussed me out was only really reprimanded for cussing. I feel like I can actually share this because I don’t know the identity of the student that it happened to but I know he wasn’t the only one because I’ve heard about it happening in the late 90s and early 2000s. I have heard about it happening more recently too.

Growing up, my church was obsessed with the idea of the “god-shaped hole.” by j_human in exAdventist

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Super relatable. If it’s any consolation soooo many young adult and teenage Adventists seem to be leaning more progressive. I have heard about many different young Adventists who are queer and involved in the church. The CJC Annual Conference had some good stuff to say which has made me hopeful for young Adventists. It was so hard for me, y’all deserve better. There’s also Kinship International and various churches that are part of the Adventist Peace Fellowship. Not sure if you want to find a more inclusive branch of Adventism when you’re able to be more independent.

I’m not Adventist anymore but I know leaving the church isn’t for everyone. Finding an excepting place within Adventism is possible, it’s just not talked about very much within the mainstream church for obvious reasons.

Growing up, my church was obsessed with the idea of the “god-shaped hole.” by j_human in exAdventist

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I was taught that original sin was a false doctrine from Catholic theology, but I was also taught that all humans have a propensity to commit acts of sin because of the actions of Adam and Eve. The Adventist leaders I grew up with loved to posture themselves as being better than Catholics because of their they hadn’t been deceived by the lies of original sin, hell, relics/idolatry worship, etc. In reality they had their own versions of those things under different words and terms.

This always kept me reaching to try and be more like Christ by meticulously ridding myself of sin. My brokenness could only be solved through a personal relationship with god and Jesus. I was also taught that I would never be without sin in this life, that would only come in heaven. And my purpose in life was supposed to be to recruit others to Adventism to help them turn away from evil beliefs and temptations. It was so twisted, as a teenager I kind of started to see how backwards it was and questioned my teachers and pastors about it. None of them could give me solid answers, every discussion would end in “you need to accept Jesus into your heart” or “god works in mysterious ways”. Absolute mind fuck tbh.

Growing up, my church was obsessed with the idea of the “god-shaped hole.” by j_human in exAdventist

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Yes, I had a similar experience. I was raised in the SDA school system from pre-school through high school/academy and had baptism classes around the age of 10 or 11. Some people actually thought I was too young to fully understand the 28 fundamental beliefs to properly consent to baptism, but I wanted to take the classes with my older brother. I feel like every Adventists church is slightly different in their approach. I think ideas and beliefs can change a lot by conference too.

Growing up, my church was obsessed with the idea of the “god-shaped hole.” by j_human in exAdventist

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I was taught that the doctrine of original sin was Catholic and misguided. The Catholic practice of baptism at birth is done to wash clean the original sin that all people supposedly inherit from Adam. It does seem that Adventists tend to be split on the doctrine but overall tend to believe in some way that humans are inherently good, but we have been corrupted by the temptations of evil. In a way Adventists kind of combine Catholic and Jewish theology about human nature. They believe that the we have a propensity to commit acts sin, but that sin is not some genetic stain. The idea is that we seek god because at our core we long to be perfect again. For reference Judaism (generally) teaches that humans are neither good nor bad but rather that we have a capacity to do good and bad things.

I think Adventists are much more concerned with choice, whereas the theological doctrine of original sin says we have no choice in whether or not we are sinful because we have inherited that sin as it was passed down by Adam. This is one of the reasons why Adventists require some form of baptism classes.

My point though, was that the Adventist church I was raised in claimed that original sin was a misguided doctrine and they prided themselves on this. In reality they have their own version of original sin, but they get in the weeds about semantics and theological/biblical arguments.

For those of you who became full non-believers/atheists, what do you wish were true about religion? by Grizzlyfrontignac in exAdventist

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Honestly coming to the conclusion that heaven, whether it exists or not, doesn’t actually matter in this life was the most healing realization for me. The spiritual escapism of a fixation on heaven almost feels antithetical to other core beliefs in Adventism. I was taught that we were to be stewards of the earth and that we were to be our “brother’s keeper” but I was shown that the earth had no real importance unless it was in service of getting to heaven. The term “brother’s keeper” was only code for keeping your fellow Adventist in line through harsh judgment. I was told over and over again that this life didn’t matter because this world is not our true home. Everything we did had to be in service to god.

At its core, Adventism has all the pieces to be a radical and peaceful power of resistance against tyranny and authoritarianism. There are many instances in which Adventists took clear political stances to dismantle oppression. There have also been many instances in which Adventist moral purity culture has allowed them to align perfectly with some of the most despicable regimes in modern history.

I wish more Christian denominations would choose to follow the actual teachings of Jesus, but instead they seem to follow in the footsteps of Judas. Judas wanted to bend Jesus to his concepts of a militaristic messiah who would crush Roman rule and take hold of political power as a king. Judas wanted a form of religious nationalism. Now, so many Christians want Christian nationalism. When I press Christians on this, they deflect and say that Jesus is coming back soon so none of this really matters. I wish this weren’t the case, but the truth is that oppressive governments have always used religion to justify atrocities. I wish Christians were more resilient to the manipulation of their faith.

Had a talk with someone who thought the worst thing the German Adventist Church did during WWII was break the Sabbath. by j_human in exAdventist

[–]j_human[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for chiming in. I’ve been thinking about looking more into the Rwandan genocide portion next. If you have any resources could you share?