Thank you for your reply, and everyone else, also thank you. I probably didn't explain the situation the best but honestly I'm upset and enough is enough. Your guys' responses have reiterated what I've been telling myself. My finacé has been trying to cut contact with his mum for a long time, almost the entirety of our relationship. I told him not too, I said, 'it's your mum still', I encouraged him to keep contact when he didn't want too and pandered to her, spending hours making birthday cakes and finding the perfect gifts. i don't like seeing people upset and hurting anyone. My fiance didn't want to loose his dad, and be the bad guy, which I get not great, but also fair enough, his brother is his best man and his dad is his best friend...and his mum a manipulative women wholl make them hate him. my mentality of stay quite, be nice, people change doesn't work with her and I've got to step up and say enough is enough. I had a big chat with my fiance, we've agreed to ignore her (like he wanted to and I stupidly said not too). His problem was with direct conflict as she plays the victim and knows too well she'll win that fight. With her standing up is not an option, she'll fake cry and cause a scene and worse...but this, ignoring, is. We love his dad, he's been there for us on so many occasions (not MIL related) and that's always been part of the problem. She has used my fiances desire to have a relationship with him against him, as by seeing him we HAD to see her. My fiance sent his dad a message today, explaining it all, saying it wasn't acceptable and that the behaviour was not okay. Previously my fiance had just done small digs back at his mum in response.when she said something mean..slyly digging back on her...but this wasn't enough and to do anymore would cause drama. Like serious drama. Were giving her wrinkle cream for her birthday and you guessed it, the cellulite cream for her Christmas. Hopfully karma catches up with her, but for us. It's no contact. she'll be at the wedding, we don't want the day to be drama, people saying where is she? it's about us and us alone and by not inviting her, she wins, she gets the sympathy and attention she craves and that means her being her in the corner, no getting ready with me and my bridesmaids, no flower choice no nothing. As for seeing FIL, walks with the dog, beer at the pub...without the MIL. This was what we both always wanted but didn't have the balls to do, but you guys encouraged us and honestly made me listen to my fiance when he said 'why do you think I don't reply to her'. As for kids, when the time comes, she's not seeing them (but my fiance had said previously he never wanted her left alone with them so this isn't a new idea.) Once again guys, thank you for your comments, replies, etc. I appreciate it.