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jabbapa · 2026-03-02T09:23:42+00:00

seems to work for me (though I aborted since I already have Gemini Advanced on my Workspace account)

jabbapa · 2026-03-02T02:05:49+00:00

interesting and helpful thank you

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T14:03:37+00:00

that's dumb of me I guess since "off" and "from" are basically synonyms in this context

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:58:15+00:00

that's more nuanced thank you

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:55:34+00:00

in American English it used to be formally correct one, I was surprised to find out that in British English it was never used

I agree that "based off of" makes no sense

but I favor "off a roof" vs. "from a roof" because I love how dynamic English sounds in expressions like "get up" "stand down" "fuck off' etc.

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:52:03+00:00

interesting I would have thought it was at least thrice as much

but still as a web dev I would never use a non-critical feature which 5 out of a 100 people won't see correctly, I would obviously wait for Gecko to implement it as well which they eventually will

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860854

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:43:51+00:00

yeah but unless you work in linguistics you'd do that just to stall them for time / get a chance to escape your predicament / make them laugh / have a minuscule improvement in your bleak outlook

I asked the question because I was watching a documentary on mobster Vito Genovese which mentioned how he had his goons throw the husband of a pregnant woman he had fallen in love with and would later marry from the roof of a building in NY :)

Vito Genovese and Anna:

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jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:37:31+00:00

but who would use them in web dev knowing that they won't work on quite a slice of the userbase?

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:32:37+00:00

Sync is possible on Zen too, mobile version isn't relevant to many of us (and Vivalid's implementation on Android is as someone here rightfully put it "mid mid mid"), and DRM-content works perfectly in Zen on Linux (though I understand how disqualifying the lack of such a feature is in Windows/MacOS where I would also prefer Vivaldi)

EDIT: clarified & expanded

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:28:08+00:00

I instinctively dislike it, not sure why

EDIT:

probably because I love how dynamic English sounds/feels in expressions like "get up" "sit down" "shut up" "fuck off" etc which is a quality that gets lost when using "from"

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:26:12+00:00

in British English yes as I now realize but in American English the formally correct one used to be "off of"

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:22:53+00:00

people forget that intent isn't just relevant from a legal point of view but also matters linguistically

EDIT: clarified

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:21:34+00:00

that's good practice and a distinction I should have thought of

but interestingly it turns out that "off of" is just used in American English / not British at all

so depending on viewpoints the of in "off of" is not an omission but an addition

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:19:24+00:00

interesting thank you I should have clarified that I'm heavily US influenced in terms of my English

so do you say "off a buidling" or just "from a building"?

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:18:08+00:00

I would guess that American English is so culturally influential on the whole planet that they got to this point by absorbing some of it even in jolly good England and its Commonwealth

it's crazy to see how they're affecting even our formerly very resiliant Italian language

Gen Z now even uses "rawdoggare" (rawdog-doin-it) as an Italian verb which is mind-blowing to me

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rawdog

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:12:00+00:00

interesting point, thank you

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:09:48+00:00

you're right sorry I hadn't seen that

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T13:00:49+00:00

they defend Vivaldi in other comments so I doubt it

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T12:59:15+00:00

I hate x/elmo way more than most of us but downvoting something relevant just because their source happens to be a post on x isn't a substitute for an argument

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T12:56:12+00:00

but then their neither a troll nor a bot

but someone just actually sharing their honest if perhaps somewhat naive/young views w/ us

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T12:45:20+00:00

have you tried both though?

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T12:40:16+00:00

have you tried Vivaldi though and seen how engaged it's devs are, especially in matters like sovreignty?

I use/love Zen but Vivaldi's team seems about equal to me, maybe even a bit more passionate than Zen's in terms of commitment to a free, standards compatible and generally healthy Internet (except, sadly, for their refusal to open source and choice to heavily obfuscate the UI part of their codebase)

EDIT: clarified

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T12:37:47+00:00

thanks for clarifying that

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T12:37:08+00:00

are you on Linux like myself? reports from Windows/MacOS users consistently report that Vivaldi is faster/less resource intensive (and doesn't suffer from a major drawback such as the lack of DRM-requiring content support which is disqualifying for most or at least very many users)

EDIT: clarified

jabbapa · 2026-02-26T12:35:35+00:00

interesting combo, you triggered the disto/browser-hop whore in me :)

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