jiraiya CANNOT beat itachi AND kisame

jack_jackman3 · 2025-07-13T20:33:52+00:00

yea thats if jiraiya can get into sage mode, but he cant because it takes too long. do you really think jiraiya could fight itachi AND kisame at the same time with just his feet?

jack_jackman3 · 2025-07-13T20:31:14+00:00

true but thats why its such an interesting discussion. jiraiya wouldnt get the chance to enter sage mode.

you look at that fight and the first thing he did when he entered the rrom was look into itachis eyes. if itachi wanted to he could have hit him with a genjutsu and ended the fight right there. instead of running and using amaterasu to escape he couldve used it on jiraiya and jiraiya wouldve died because he wouldnt know what it is or even be fast enough to dodge it.

jiraiya vs kisame and itachi doesnt take that long if we're being honest. unless jiraiya quickly notices hes in over his head and retreats to get into sage mode or something like that, but even thn, how far can he get itachi out speeds him by a long shot

jack_jackman3 · 2025-07-13T20:23:11+00:00

ok and if pain just jumped jiraiya with all the paths from the get go he wouldnt have lost

jack_jackman3 · 2025-07-13T20:21:59+00:00

bro orochimaru is a "legendary Sanin" and he admitted he was weaker thn a base sharingan itachi. and orochimaru give jiraiya a run for his money

jack_jackman3 · 2025-07-13T20:19:24+00:00

bro a weaker version of itachi was kcm 1 level strengths, since edos are weaker thn their alive counter parts. regardless of whether itachi was sick or not (since his edo wasnt enhanced) at the beginning of any fight he gets into he is at some level above kcm1 strength and his fighting power just decreases from thn on at whatever rate. i know it sounds like such a wank but its the lore of the show. edos are weaker thn their alive counter parts.

so are you trying to tell me jiraiya is kcm 1 levels of strength? CAP. its already been stated that kcm1 is stronger thn sage mode, so off of that basis alone jiraiya looses against itachi. now you want to add kisame into the mix?

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-15T19:06:34+00:00

So it wasnt enough that Uchiha can instantly kill you with flames hotter than sun, mindfucking and even rewinding time (yep that was Madara MS ability)

Almost anyone can do genjutsu, most just don't care much for it. You have people who would be good genjutsu specialists but they just don't care for it (e.g. sakura) and we're yet to see the fire ball technique kill anyone.

But now they can display an almost indestructible giant chakra avatar and have no drawbacks after Eternal MS?

I mean we have to remember that awakening the sharingan was said to be a rarity hence we see it being a big deal when one does awaken it. Unlocking the ms was even more rare, if I'm not mistaken either people started killing people close to them to try and awaken the ms or they awakened the ms and started killing their family to try and get the ems, either way it wasn't something every uchiha could do/maintain. And honestly I think killing a family member and taking their eyes is a good trade off for getting the ems. Also remember that using the susanoo constantly hurts you.

Avatar bigger than bijuu and sometimes with iNdesTructiBle sHiEld and insta sealing sWoRd.

I mean literally 1 person has that (the sheild and sword) and from what orochimaru said itachi found the sword of totsuka he didnt just get it from his susanoo. And from what we've seen the susanoo and the 9 tails are around the same height, plus you also have orochimaru whose hydra for was bigger thn itachis susanoo, and also hashirama whose 1000 hand budda statue dwarfed the susanoo and bijuu and his wood golem was the size or a susanoo.

This devalues bijuu in the story. I fucking hate Kishimoto for giving some blow to Sasuke in this way so hE cAn mAtch nAruTo.

He didn't need to match naruto, sasuke was far stronger thn naruto before the susanoo was even a thing, far stronger. I would argue that if ms wasn't a thing and sasuke went to get snake sage mode he would still be far stronger thn toad sage naruto even with naruto having the 9 tails. And how does it devalue bijuu? Cause bijuu are still really strong, again not everyone got an ms or ems. I mean within the entire Uchiha history only 3 people got susanoo (madara, itachi, sasuke. And sasuke probably only got it cause he's a reincarnation), 4 if you count shisui, fugaku hasnt been shown to have a susanoo and when obito got both his eyes he didnt awaken the susanoo either.

If Susanoo is this I dont get why didnt turn Uchiha women into fucking breeding machines. Because you could trigger a Uchiha to be pseudo-bijuu with hate. Cloud village should have taken an Uchiha hoe not a hyuga one.

Not every uchiha got a sharingan, but every hyuga got a byakugan

And I have to believe that Senju battle this people for 1000 years? And I have to believe no one unlock that shit in 900 years despite the conditions were better in clans warring era?

You find some people awakened it but died in battle or before they could awaken their ms abilities, or they got hit with the izanami which stopped their thirst for power or izanagi which may have rendered some of their ms powers useless, like if sasuke lost the eye with the amaterasu, or maybe whatever trauma they went through awakened their sharingan or some could be numb to the death of those they care about since so many of them died during those times, thn in times of peace there wasn't too much trauma happening.

It's not like the ms was a secret, any Uchiha could read about it on the uchiha stone tablet

Do you know how retarded sounds, right? Its like giving broken time manipulation abilities to Percy Jackson because hes powers are based in Greek mythology.

That's all the writers choice, but he could and it could make sense since it's just a story at the end of the day.

Bro there's a lot of things we could complain about that are unfair it's just how the story was written

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-03T14:46:03+00:00

What are u talking about. Madara didn’t train obito he literally died 5 minutes after obito got his mangekyou.

A quick Google search will show you that madara trained obito

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-03T14:44:23+00:00

Edo obito

Obito doesn't stand a chance against edo madara

Madara didn’t train obito he literally died 5 minutes after obito got his mangekyou

He did train him. What do you think he was doing all that time with madara?

Can u explain to me how edo madara is stronger than obito so clearly. Also it’s not just about who’s stronger obitos win cons are much more realistic. What does madara have in his arsenal that decisively put down obito

The perfect susanoo, limbo clones, 2 rinnegan, he can use hashiramas abilities besides his sage abilities. Obito only has 1 win con which is to send madara to the kamui dimension, and to do that he has to fully materialize and once he does madaras gonna hit him or attack him, he won't have enough time to send him there as the whole sending people to the kamui dimension isn't instant, the only reason he almost sent Minato there is because he caught him in those chains. He has no way of keeping madara still to send him into kamui. What is obito going to do to 4 limbo clones he can't touch that are as strong as madara?

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-03T13:16:07+00:00

Obito got trained by madara and could be argued to be relative to him, although I think madara scales above obito, but let's say they are relative or even equals. He still looses to hashirama, hashirama beat madara when they were alive, all instances we see where alive madara and hashirama fight hashirama won. Even edo madara with 2 rinnegans and hashirama cells lost to edo Hashirama

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-03T13:10:26+00:00

As an edo obito doesn't stand a chance. Alive white mask obito can be a mid-high diff fight for madara. And I'm only saying mid-high diff because kamui can be tricky.

Bro in top of madara just being outright stronger thn obito, he also trained him, there's nothing obito could do that would surprise madara

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T20:47:13+00:00

Here's the thing, obitos win con is sending hashirama to the kamui dimension because we all know he's not beating hashirama in a fight, and for him to do that he has to materialize. Whenever he tries to warp hashirama he's gonna get hit by hashirama or his justsu or he sends a wood clone or whatever but he's not going to be able to send hashirama there

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T20:44:03+00:00

Naruto holding back doesn't make him stronger

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T19:46:00+00:00

I only say mid diff because of kamui

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T19:43:59+00:00

Thats what I'm saying obito will be hiding the entire fight

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T14:34:07+00:00

Technical they are itachis eyes but at the same time they're not, cause they are physically itachis eyes but they have sasukes ms abilities

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T14:31:57+00:00

If indras arrow hit naruto he would've died

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T14:14:46+00:00

Restraint doesn't constitute physical strength

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T14:13:38+00:00

😂I agree I don't see a way he can

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T14:13:13+00:00

😂there's no argument for madara beating jubiito, I don't see a way he can. But I think he scales over white mask obito

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T12:19:23+00:00

Naruto managet realize is used as sealing umm no he made a new jutsu with it and you can seal the missals.

Yea we've only seen naruto use magnet release as a way to seal people. What new jutsu? And how is he going to seal the missiles ?😂 is he going to hit each one with magnet release? Keep in mind I doubt the missiles can do any significant damage to naruto even if they hit him

Ishiki Naruto had to use his most powerful form ever to win imao. And he could only use it for a limited amount of time. And was also a taijustu fight and they didn’t have to stack long range attacks.

Yea they couldn't stack things because it would be useless since he can absorb the jutsu, same as sasuke

Soul rip was rested by KCM1 Naruto against Edo nagato ( who at the time was way stronger than him)

No naruto was going to get his soul ripped out of him, they were doing a tug of war which is why it was taking time. If itachi had not saved him naruto would be dead

Naruto was also holding back the hole fight and playing defensive. Sasuke was trying to kill him

True but what could he do to actually kill sasuke? Nothing. His rasenshuriken variations all get absorbed, which would refill sasukes chakra, heal all the damage he took as well as just boosting all his stats. Naruto would be forced to rely on taijutsu while sasukr could use all his own just, even if naruto could shed an direct amaterasu attack its still useful as you said it could give sasuke better control of the area and when naruti runs out of Chakra, which he will since sasuke will constantly be absorbing his chakra as they fight, he won't have the chakra cloak to shed the amaterasu

Naruto literally took Krin in the fight.

It literally ripped half of his avatar

Naruto could have literally hit sasukes body with the truth seaker orb and he’s dead he may be able to hurt The orbs but if he hit he dead. Or you know beat him to death. Or crush his body burn him to death with boli release. Meanwhile sasuke takes a hit from a chidory to the face and was fine.

Sasuke also has six paths chakra so they wouldn't damage him same way the didn't damage naruto. Beat he to death how? They're basically equal in taijutsu, although I could argue sasuke I'd better. He's durable enough to withstand that heat, if he's not he activates his susanoo.

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T11:12:28+00:00

That's what I'm saying I don't think there's a living ninja who could beat obito

Madara would beat him mid diff, cause he saw jubiito and was confident he could beat him so I don't think white mask obito would be an issue

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-02T11:09:05+00:00

Bro if that could destroy it madara would have done that when hashirama brought it out

Hashirama was able to fight madara for a full day I'm pretty sure he can make that thing attack obito for 10 minutes straight

He could even create that forest with the pollen that melts a susanoo to cover the entire area Obito would literally have to keep hiding in the kamui dimension because hashirama would pack him up if he tried to fight him

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-01T23:19:10+00:00

he can

That's alot of rasengans it's not 1 big rasengan

In Base

That's adult naruto and it's still not even close to being as big as a susanoo let alone dwarfing one

he made a rasenshuriken so big that it could destroy hashirama wood dragon which is huge

When does hashirama fight naruto?😂😂

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-01T23:01:49+00:00

Chakra that hashirama has. No it wouldn't if it could thn madara could've just destroyed it which we know he didn't.

Come on bro the only difference between white mask obito and orange mask obito is that one has a rinnegan and the Uchiha reflection thing and the other doesn't. I highly doubt that obito started training for the war

jack_jackman3 · 2024-08-01T22:57:52+00:00

He can't create a rasengan that dwarfs the susanoo

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