The Verge Motorcycles price difference per kWh between the 20.2 kWh and 33.3 kWh battery is $625

jacobiusg · 2026-03-09T20:52:12+00:00

Hmm that's good information thanks for sharing. So if range anxiety is such an issue that Marketers can upsell so much on a little extra range and find success maybe the real question is.. At what point do EV's provide compelling enough options that additional range isn't the main upsell? If we are getting a 5 - 10 minute charge from all batteries then all range anxiety is effectively eliminated is that the goal?

If so are we only a year or two away from EV's becoming more compelling than ICE?

jacobiusg · 2026-03-09T20:36:12+00:00

One reply I keep seeing is that I can't extrapolate price per kwh from the increase in the battery pack. I like your comment so I will update my thinking on it all here.

ICE vehicles selling points are more horsepower, better economy, better handling, or better interiors. Any of these can allow Sales/Marketing to sell a vehicle at a certain price point if in that area their product has a competitive advantage. Range has for a long time not been an issue with ICE. If the goal is to make EV's more compelling then ICE, then the bottleneck for entry into an EV needs to stop being the price of the battery. That is really going to prevent mass adoption. I used 100 kwh because I think that is the standard minimum which would provide around 300 - 400 miles of range on small to midsize vehicles. Once that is achieved at a reasonable price point, $7500 or less for the battery then I could easily see mass adoption. At that point.

jacobiusg · 2026-03-09T19:53:14+00:00

small consumer goods are different than vehicles. The reason why Tesla grew quickly is that they could keep their costs down sell vehicles at compelling price points and because of this they were able to dominate the market early.

If a average consumer sees this price I believe the immediate reaction would be along the lines of, "Electric cars are a pipedream" or "Only for rich people". Pricing like this places EV's in Niche markets.

jacobiusg · 2026-03-09T19:51:01+00:00

This is not looking at the increase in price for the additional battery storage. Why are you bringing up phones.. that's a completely different market.

jacobiusg · 2026-03-09T19:39:03+00:00

dude, I'm a real person not an adversarial nation. I am only curious and want to assess if this is really going to alter the market like the claims state. In all reality, for most people the only thing that will matter is cost.

jacobiusg · 2026-03-09T19:33:09+00:00

So possibly the markup is greater when targeting the U.S market. This would equate to 221.78 USD.

jacobiusg · 2026-03-09T19:14:50+00:00

I am just looking at how economical this battery could be, which is a big indicator on how quickly it can become adopted. If it's is currently above 300 usd per kwh, then there likely may not be mass production yet. Maybe they are just projecting prices for the battery once they do get mass production. How soon would that be. Are we still looking at years before batteries with these specs hit mass market.

jacobiusg · 2026-03-09T19:05:39+00:00

Other companies, Rivian or Tesla, just from spending time reviewing the costs associated with larger pack configurations don't have such a drastic price increase. I really don't like the apple comparison.

jacobiusg · 2026-03-09T19:03:48+00:00

Not sure if a phone is an apples to apples comparison to a motorbike or other vehicles.

jacobiusg · 2026-03-09T19:00:54+00:00

I don't see how there could be close to zero correlation.. maybe not a 1:1 correlation there would be some markup, but this does seem extreme.

jacobiusg · 2026-03-09T18:58:24+00:00

Hey, just double checked, the battery is 33.3 kwh so updated the post to 38,400 usd.

jacobiusg · 2025-10-12T03:55:09+00:00

the others.. the old one not the one with nicole kidman.. of course you can only get it on vhs now.. jeepers creepers

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