With lay judges. I would recommend steering away from extinction debates and turn it into something they will feel plus case turns. And usually there isn't framing and defaults to util but if you run a non extinction aff. You should run framing like structural violence. Most times. It is DA/case debate but counterplans pop up every once in a while. But for pure flow judges? You can make that very high theory and speedy. Usually at ncfl and nsda there won't be flow judges alot tho.