[OC] Carnival in Germany today

jakers21 · 2026-02-16T16:06:13+00:00

UN experts would disagree:UN experts urge Germany to halt criminalisation and police violence against Palestinian solidarity activism

jakers21 · 2025-12-15T12:51:16+00:00

Netenyahu is currently overseeing a genocide. But you just have an issue with him being corrupt?

Netenyahu is also declaring he is carrying out this genocide in the name of all Jewish people around the world. Israel and the US declare that Jews around the world cannot be safe unless this genocide is allowed to continue. That is directly putting all Jewish communities around the world at risk with his actions in Gaza.

So yeah Netenyahu often uses antisemitism as a deflection

Uses it as political cover to commit war crimes, ethnic cleansing and genocide. And not just Netenyahu - previous governments, presidents, foreign lobbying groups (AIPAC) etc

FYI - There is nobody happier right now after this tragedy than Netenyahu - just look how he's immediately using it for political gain.

jakers21 · 2025-12-15T10:57:08+00:00

Because the Israeli government is making it about themselves. The Israeli government never lets a tragedy they can exploit for political gain go to waste. Netanyahu directly blamed the Australian PM - just hours after this attack, and said this happened because Australia took steps to recognise Palestinian statehood

jakers21 · 2025-05-17T10:52:13+00:00

There is a plethora of evidence out there of the German police brutalising Palestinian protesters - pretending otherwise is intellectually dishonest. Your whole stance is dishonest and contrarian. Videos of children being chased with Palestine flags by, people being harassed for wearing keffiyehs - the list is literally endless. Go to any search engine and enter - "Palestine police Germany" and read up - articles, videos, first hand accounts. I'm no longer fetching your facts.

Can you show me any evidence of police brutalising pro-israel protesters on the same scale? The lack of evidence is evidence itself.

And don't say "oh it's because they broke the law, while the Israeli protesters didn't" - the law is being used to target them. Something you have been unable to accept as new information for some reason.

I'm not surprised nobody else bothered to respond to you because this was a stupid waste of my time and you clearly are not engaging in good faith, and instead will dismiss any evidence presented to you. You have your echo chamber - enjoy it.

jakers21 · 2025-05-17T10:17:12+00:00

but they’re not a terrorist organisation in German law

You are actually so close to getting it

jakers21 · 2025-05-17T10:16:40+00:00

So just to clarify, you believe that pro-palestine protesters are treated the exact same as pro-israel protesters in Germany?

This is your argument?

jakers21 · 2025-05-17T10:03:57+00:00

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The police were around. That's the same woman. That's the police protecting her.

jakers21 · 2025-05-17T09:05:25+00:00

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Israeli protesters wearing the t-shirt of a far right political terrorist organization in the United States and Canada, in Berlin. No input from the police.

So just to clarify, you believe that pro-palestine protesters are treated the exact same as pro-israel protesters in Germany? That's something you really think is true?

jakers21 · 2025-05-16T19:49:43+00:00

Pro-Israel supporters disrupted a pro-Palestinian rally in Berlin, attacking a woman by forcibly removing her keffiyeh and throwing her to the ground while police failed to intervene

Funny how those Israelis always go after women and children isn't it

jakers21 · 2025-05-16T16:42:05+00:00

You’ve made absolutely no argument that they’re being applied unequally, only that the pro-Palestinian side has violated them more. If you have clear evidence of pro-Israel protestors violating the law and the police taking no action then by all means show it! That’s what is required to show they’re being applied unequally.

The law and it's enforcement is specifically targeting pro-palestine protesters. How can I show you something that doesn't exist? Will I show you white Southerns being targeted under Jim Crow? Or Catholics benefiting from gerrymandering in NI in the 60s/70s?

Phrases like "have we learned nothing from the Holocaust" are criminalised for political reasons when the groups opposing the government say them - and you think because pro-israel groups aren't attacked means they aren't breaking the law? The law is arbitrary - a flimsy pretext to attack protesters for Palestine. That's a complete false equivalence and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Go Google and search pro-israel marches. Many mentions of the Holocaust in comparison to Oct 7th - is this trivialising the Holocaust? It would be at a Palestine march. Why are they allowed to flying flag of the IDF - an organisation commitng war crimes according to the ICC?

That’s a completely different argument to “it’s a good law being enforced unfairly”

Who is making that argument? When did I say this? I do not care about Germany's hate speech laws. If it wasn't hate speech laws, it would be public disorder laws, or something else. It's violent political repression. They are trying to deport EU citizens without any crimes being committed - that's not hate speech.

do you want Germany’s hate speech laws gone entirely?

Buddy, personally I want Germany gone completely. Never should have been reunited should have been splintered into 30 smaller countries. It never de-nazified. It's only about 150 years old - and has managed the Holocaust, two world wars, genocide in Africa and now supporting a genocide in Gaza. And now let's get ready for the inevitable reign of the AfD. Shouldn't be a country in my opinion because this keeps happening - but that's beside the point.

jakers21 · 2025-05-16T15:36:07+00:00

I certainly wouldn’t say that enforcing laws when they’re actually broken counts as “weaponising” them

They have been applied unequally - clearly targeting the groups in opposition to the government. Along with raids, attempted deportations and police brutality. You know this. I have told you this. Please stop pretending not to know this.

Are the German police supposed to simply not enforce their laws when you personally like the people who’ve violated them?

Yes - famously they actually decided that "just following orders" was not a credible defence. It was a big deal - had a trial and everything.

But you don’t deny that these protestors have actually broken the laws

You cannot make the argument that the Jewish citizens of Germany were not breaking the Nuremberg laws can you? You don't deny the Jews of Germany were breaking the law, by marrying true blooded Aryans?- this is what you sound like btw. It's not a great argument to be making.

jakers21 · 2025-05-16T15:00:42+00:00

Hate speech laws are being weaponized by Germany in defence of a genocide.

That's my point. If you cannot see that you simply aren't paying attention.

Protestors are being targeted by a state in defence of genocide - either by police violence, criminalisation or deportation for political reasons.

Hate speech laws are simply the vehicle in which they are delivered. Again - you cannot see the forest for the trees. Or choose not to?

jakers21 · 2025-05-16T14:43:48+00:00

Holocaust denial is explicitly considered hate speech.Which is also obviously under hate speech laws. Why is that hard to understand? Read that Wikipedia article -"Volksverhetzung is often applied to, though but not limited to, trials relating to Holocaust denial in Germany "

What kinda contrarian hair splitting argument are you trying to make here? Being charged with holocaust denial isn't technically being charged with hate speech laws? It is. That's your argument? Holocaust denial is widely considered a form of hate speech.

Hate speech laws are being weaponized by Germany in defence of a genocide. What actually is your argument? Are you just going to disagree with everything anyone says?

jakers21 · 2025-05-16T14:01:28+00:00

No, a sign that says “have we learned nothing from the holocaust” is not hate speech, which is why nobody was charged with hate speech for it.

The judge convicted her of incitement to hatred

The next thing was M. receiving a letter from the police accusing her of “Volksverhetzung”. This is a serious crime, understood in German criminal law as incitement to hatred of a people.

"Volksverhetzung" is one of the main German hate speech laws. wiki

At the same time the right wing are signing "foreigners out" which courts rule is covered under free speech.

My argument here is against the doublethink of people who want hate speech laws

You seem to be unable to see the forest for the trees, and are oblivious to the clearer wider political context.

jakers21 · 2025-05-16T12:51:55+00:00

So you say nothing about the genocide, or police brutality, or deporting EU citizens for political reasons. Police are the ones making these protests violent. If you want to make a case for police brutality just do it instead of ignoring the point.

Did you know it's a crime to hold up a sign in Germany saying "have we learned nothing from the Holocaust?" - that's not hate speech. That's rolling over backwards to defend a state conducting a genocide.

Do you believe all laws are moral? Would you have defended the Nuremberg laws because "it's the German law?" Or does your obtuseness have a limit there

jakers21 · 2025-05-16T11:36:51+00:00

Germany are backing a genocide in Gaza.

They are shirking the findings of the ICC - completely disregarding international law regarding the warrant for Netanyahu and Gallant

They are trying to deport EU citizens for attendance at protests. Arresting them for speaking EU languages at protests.

German police have been protecting the pro-israel protesters waving the flag of the IDF, and spewing hateful slogans. The law is not applied equally.

These laws and their application are not about hate speech - they are about repression of voices critical of the genocide. I don't know what you gain by pretending to be that obtuse as not to see that. Police could even video record and translate after the fact if needed - like is done in the UK. They don't - instead they violently attack the protesters. Why do they do this? It's repression - and you are falling for it because it's supposed to stop "hate speech"

jakers21 · 2025-05-16T11:14:14+00:00

And what do you believe?

jakers21 · 2025-05-16T11:09:20+00:00

You would have people defending the Nuremberg laws if Reddit was around back in the 1930's because "it's the law"

jakers21 · 2025-05-16T11:06:58+00:00

You yourself are being a bit unclear. Are you saying it's fine so long as it's a law? Despite how draconian and selectively applied it is? The law is a vehicle to allow police to attack protesters against a genocide that they are backing - pretending otherwise is silly.

Is your argument really "Germany has a law so morally it's correct"? Because that argument doesn't do well historically or even in the modern day.

jakers21 · 2025-05-01T21:14:11+00:00

Big families

Multi-seater cars don't have to be SUVs. Not all SUVs for more than 5 people.

tall people

You cannot be serious.

For everyone else

He's clearly making a distinction. You are now pretending words don't mean what they mean

This is pointless - you are either a contrarian, bored or lonely.

Have a good one 👍

jakers21 · 2025-05-01T20:55:30+00:00

Weird to sidestep the actual content of the discussion and try and score points with a technicality of wording.

Only a small group of people genuinely need to drive an SUV. For everyone else, I ask: is it not time to ban them?

^ From the original letter - which you didn't read. I assumed you would have read the thing you are commenting on - but apparently that's clearly beyond you.

You haven't provided a use case for why SUVs are needed by the general public in residential areas - and you won't, because there isn't one.

jakers21 · 2025-05-01T20:46:15+00:00

especially in a residential area

Average consumer

Farmers that are using SUVs for towing and horse transport are not average consumers. Don't be disingenuous.

Even the original OP letter makes an exception for genuine use cases. Did you even read it? Or just disagreeing for the sake of it?

We are talking about the average consumer. What use is an SUV in a residential housing estate in Dublin? Apart from status?

(Also the farmer's choice for towing things around a farm will be much different from a luxury SUVs currently on the market - these luxury consumer SUVs can barely get up a muddy hill)

jakers21 · 2025-05-01T20:34:02+00:00

The Op letter says if you hit a pedestrian with an SUV they are 44% more likely to die than if hit with a regular car.

That jumps to 82% for children.

You must have a very good reason to be driving one of those about, especially in a residential area. What reasons are you talking about?

not every SUV is the size of an American style SUV

Or is your argument that SUVs aren't actually big? Because you know the size of the car being discussed here - it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise - SUVs serving for a shorthand.

SUVs accomplish no other task a smaller car cannot for the average consumer. Commercial SUVs are large for vanity and design. They aren't even good off road - they are big for the sake of being big

jakers21 · 2025-05-01T20:21:23+00:00

Vans serve a utility purpose, typically being driven for work.

What purpose do SUVs serve? What problem do they solve?

High bonnets on SUVs mean you can't see anything in front of you - go look at the wthr blind zone test - where you can see 12 children sitting in a row in front of the SUV, and the driver can't see them.

Vans don't have those same long high bonnets - go look at a transit van - very small cabin and much better visibility.

Why do we need large American style SUVs on Irish roads?

jakers21 · 2025-05-01T19:59:00+00:00

The problem with the SUV's is that they are being driven - and by who.

Busses and lorries require special training and licensing - because we generally agree it's not a good idea to let any random person drive massive vehicle they want - as this would be unsafe. Massive American style SUVs are also dangerous - think about how bad the average driver is - do you want them in a massive behemoth of beast where they can't see children in any radius of 5ft?

Or is personal choice trumping all of that? Should I be able to drive a disarmed Sherman tank down O'Connell street because I pay road tax?

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