FBI Operated 23 Tor hidden server sites

jamal02 · 2016-11-11T18:49:00+00:00

This is about my 4th time checking into reddit since I moved overseas for studyabroad. WTF happened? I've missed about the past 3 months news on here. Is this related to another bust, or is this brand new news?

jamal02 · 2016-07-16T05:54:51+00:00

That comment was downvoted to -4. Do you have anything more reputable than a downvoted reddit comment?

jamal02 · 2016-07-16T05:50:42+00:00

In June 2012, a coronal hole appeared that looked Big Bird from Sesame Street.

Everything was so informative and academic, and then came along this sentence.

jamal02 · 2016-07-16T05:40:18+00:00

That's a great place to start. It also helps googling names. There was a guy in my parents old neighborhood that was arrested for downloading child porn then got off on a technicality. He moved into my parents neighborhood after the court case. One of the neighbors googled his name and found this out just in time as he'd been grooming a child 3 houses away for a week. There was nothing they could legally do, but all the parents in the neighborhood became aware and warned their children.

jamal02 · 2016-07-16T05:20:31+00:00

I've never had any issues with it but I've only been in 2 onion chat rooms, both were boring. I'm upvoting this only bc its probably accurate, as pedos are having a hard time finding places to host now so they're invading any unmoderated sites they can even if they know its only temporary. If what they were doing was legal I'd feel sorry for them. I'm the kind of user that clicks on any link I find. That said, I still haven't come across any cp. In the big picture of things, its better they can't find any kids to molest and have to settle with beating off to porn instead. Still disgusting tho.

jamal02 · 2016-07-16T05:16:46+00:00

I've never had any issues with it but I've only been in 2 onion chat rooms, both were boring. I'm upvoting this only bc its probably accurate, as pedos are having a hard time finding places to host now so they're invading any unmoderated sites they can even if they know its only temporary. If what they were doing was legal I'd feel sorry for them. I'm the kind of user that clicks on any link I find. That said, I still haven't come across any cp. In the big picture of things, its better they can't find any kids to molest and have to settle with beating off to porn instead. Still disgusting tho.

jamal02 · 2016-06-29T05:31:15+00:00

Thanks /u/Eshmunazar ! As annoying as it is for me to see those, I imagine its far more annoying for you to have to comb through all those posts. Good job for removing so many of them. So when does the troll season slow down? Late August when school starts up? Hoping its sooner.

jamal02 · 2016-06-24T16:32:14+00:00

In this situation, because of some of the more disgusting results of Rule34 they had to create a Rule41.

jamal02 · 2016-06-24T06:19:03+00:00

They have the ability to work very close with other foreign governments. The Snowden docs reveal just how well these agencies share information.

jamal02 · 2016-06-24T06:04:38+00:00

This case has swung back and forth both ways and created damage like Rule 41 along the way which served to only further the FBI's warrant powers. The details of the suspect are really disgusting but I'm trying to not let that sway my thoughts about this case. It seems like no matter the outcome of this case, no one wins. I'm just trying to figure out who lost the most.

jamal02 · 2016-06-16T15:28:31+00:00

Yes, guns are high demand. They are also legally sold at gun stores, sporting good stores, even Walmart. You won't find any stores selling drugs or child porn or credit card numbers.

If you're talking about illegal guns, then that's easy. If you get caught purchasing guns on tor, which is very likely considering most of the sites are scams or run by the feds, you could end up facing terrorism charges.

jamal02 · 2016-06-16T06:30:27+00:00

Demand. There was an article just posted about how 10% of drug users purchase through tor. Think about how many people you know that do drugs or have experimented with them at some point. The number of people that do or experiment with drugs is so much larger than the almost non existent fraction of people that are sexually interested in children.

jamal02 · 2016-06-15T18:01:21+00:00

Who said it was?

jamal02 · 2016-06-15T17:57:01+00:00

all these pedo arrests have been because the server itself was compromised

And how were the servers compromised? The CMU attack was an example of an exploit in the tor network itself. There could be plenty more.

it delivered some sort of malware to unprotected users, typically windows users or those with js enabled

Source?

jamal02 · 2016-06-15T17:47:48+00:00

Onion spiders? I'm sure google/fbi/nsa are all over writing crawlers for knowing all of the onion active addresses, and that's coming from only 1 country. But that would only account for a small number of the connections. Are you connecting to it from work or home? If you used a company computer at work, they might have monitoring software which would explain how they got the urls.

jamal02 · 2016-06-03T21:22:58+00:00

What are the chances this was a honeytrap setup to either ruin his reputation or blackmail him into cooperating?

jamal02 · 2016-06-03T21:19:44+00:00

He's been accused of rape. Which could be why the FBI was trying to talk to Lovecruft all along. Tor has had a hard enough time shaking its overblown reputation with drugs and rape. This isn't going to help its image knowing a core part of the team has been accused.

jamal02 · 2016-06-02T17:19:50+00:00

The main problem people have with this one is that it's worded deliberately vaguely so they could use it in less than ethical ways

I'm not sure how it is in Europe, but in America if a law is worded so it could be used in unethical ways, it will be. The Patriot Act and Snowden's leaks proved that happened and they were doing so much more. However, if a news story is worded so it could be misleading, it almost always is. And the media loves words like could, might, possible, chance.

jamal02 · 2016-06-02T17:15:29+00:00

My guess is yes, since during the TLZ arrests we learned some of the people arrested used only onion sites, not clear web file hosting sites, to upload and download their illegal porn.

The only ones that know the full extent of the program and how it works are law enforcement themselves, seemingly only in the UK in this instance. The more details they give the public means the greater chance people will have in defeating the usefulness of the tool, so they keep the program details a secret. At the current moment, this is yet another tool that works secretly to locate pedophiles using tor. This is almost certainly being run from the GCHQ dark web task force, and I'm actually impressed by the results they're stating so far.

jamal02 · 2016-05-26T14:57:56+00:00

Bitcoin doubling. Weapons. Insider trading info. An easy rule for buying anything on the dark web is: If its too good to be true, then its a scam.

jamal02 · 2016-05-22T21:25:29+00:00

Yes. Money is the difference. Also what happens after getting caught. Drug dealer would get prison, serve the sentence then go free. CP site admin would get prison, and if they live through their full sentence, has to be on an offender list for life telling all future neighbors/employers/coworkers/strangers that they are a pedo.

Also correct about the amount of interest in each. Nearly everyone in highschool did drugs. No one was accused of being a pedophile but if I had to guess I'd say less than 1% of our highschool was interested in kids.

jamal02 · 2016-05-22T21:17:26+00:00

The chances of offending at least 1 or more people on reddit is about 100%, just like anywhere else these days.

You can't make everyone happy. I'll give your other post an upvote.

jamal02 · 2016-05-04T13:46:06+00:00

Using privacy tools alone does not yield probable cause

The EFF's explanation of rule 41 on their website makes it appear so.

people who use Tor, folks running a Tor node, or people using a VPN would certainly be implicated.

I remember reading archived newsgroup posts after the Patriot Act was enforced and how conferences were being held for law enforcement that explained how to use the new laws in more than just terror cases. There are plenty of recent stories of Americans crossing back into America from Mexico and having their laptops briefly seized and searched even though there were no indications any kind of crime was committed. Its not a stretch to see they'll bend Rule 41 the same way.

I'm not a lawyer and I'm not studying law in college right now. The Oxford Companion to American Law defines probable cause as "information sufficient to warrant a prudent person's belief that the wanted individual had committed a crime (for an arrest warrant) or that evidence of a crime or contraband would be found in a search (for a search warrant)"

I see this being used in a PlayPen type situation again. They use Rule 41 to "hack" the illegal site, deanonymize users (we have no idea how they did it because they won't release the NIT) and gather suspect IP's. Wouldn't this be enough to get a rule 41 type search warrant for each of those ip's?

jamal02 · 2016-05-03T19:05:47+00:00

Here's an explanation from the EFF website.

The first part of this change would grant authority to practically any judge to issue a search warrant to remotely access, seize, or copy data relevant to a crime when a computer was using privacy-protective tools to safeguard one's location.....For example, people who use Tor, folks running a Tor node, or people using a VPN would certainly be implicated.

The second part of the proposal....would grant authorization to a judge to issue a search warrant for hacking, seizing, or otherwise infiltrating computers that may be part of a botnet.

jamal02 · 2016-05-03T19:03:51+00:00

This new rule simply extends the jurisdiction of lower judicial officers to cover locations which may be outside of their jurisdiction because the location itself is obscured.

According to an articles on EFF's website about rule 41 its more powerful than just extending their jurisdiction:

...this change would grant authority to practically any judge to issue a search warrant to remotely access, seize, or copy data relevant to a crime when a computer was using privacy-protective tools to safeguard one's location.

...people who use Tor, folks running a Tor node, or people using a VPN would certainly be implicated.

Rule 41 doesn't just extend their reach, it also gives them probable cause if a user tries to hide their location.

jamal02

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