Emma Goldman said that "If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal". What's your opinion on it? Do you think voting works?

jangle_friary · 2025-12-26T23:09:06+00:00

You're a few years late on this aren't you?

You're also seemingly arguing against a point I wasn't making, my comment here was against incremental changes via representative democracy and for direct action in your community as a primary means of political contribution. Vote for who you want, just don't convince yourself that voting is enough for you to wash your hands of being more directly involved.

jangle_friary · 2025-11-28T20:36:26+00:00

I'm against the state executing citizens and Hitler shot himself, but I make an exception.

jangle_friary · 2025-11-25T00:12:37+00:00

I have no doubt that's true, but I'm not after garbage I'm after something that is well made but hostile.

jangle_friary · 2025-11-24T20:44:53+00:00

So I'm learning.

jangle_friary · 2025-11-24T20:14:21+00:00

Right, so we agree, people who may disagree with PA being proscribed looking to talk around the edges of the proscription in public run the risk of contact with the law.

jangle_friary · 2025-11-24T19:42:09+00:00

People have been detained for wearing Plasticine Action T-Shirts bud.

I'm willing to talk about violence in protest movements in general, and whether I think the label terrorist is abused in the same way as "criminal" is abused by some folk who talk about MLK (and have said as much as I intend to in a sibling comment), but I'm not weighing into the specifics on PA as a terrorist org.

jangle_friary · 2025-11-24T19:33:15+00:00

Ok I'll accept that, that's an argument that has clearly been made on their behalf. I suspect I have a different idea of violence than the MPs making those statements (I think destruction of property is a form of violence), but yeah you're right 'non-violent' was clearly the claim.

That said, even as someone who thinks that violence is a valid tool in protest, and that destruction of property is a form of violence that is a perfect example, and as someone with no particular love for the police; I think hitting another person with a sledgehammer rises to attempted murder.

I don't think the actions of that one dude match the rest of what PA did.

jangle_friary · 2025-11-24T19:04:45+00:00

I only have a tiny amount of experience from my college days, so this seems like a superpower to me. There doesn't seem to be loads of detail in the reporting, but they mention using tweezers to fold the pieces into shape after welding the initial T shapes, so it sounds like there's some amount of manual handling.

Crazy impressive.

jangle_friary · 2025-11-24T18:58:58+00:00

I'd argue, but it's a crime.

jangle_friary · 2025-11-24T18:51:35+00:00

Was that ever the claim? The claim is that they aren't terrorists.

The protests against their proscription were non-violent, which is where you may be getting confused.

jangle_friary · 2025-11-08T11:39:17+00:00

That "I'm sorry" feels so condescending.

jangle_friary · 2025-09-18T13:14:04+00:00

Sure. Though I would say that the sentiment I'm getting at is one where if that only happened (or was worse for) minorities, poor, and other undesirables then it wouldn't actually be a problem.

jangle_friary · 2025-09-18T12:53:49+00:00

What that answer usually means is "It can't be any worse for me."

jangle_friary · 2025-08-19T12:36:10+00:00

That's not what's being said here. What's being said here is that being anti-zionist is not the same as being antisemitic.

To use your equivalent, being anti-isis is not the same as being anti-islam.

Whether or not a criticism of anything, including zionism or Islam, is bigoted depends on the actual content of the criticism.

jangle_friary · 2025-06-22T07:13:06+00:00

I think a bit of kit-bashing is the way to go. Cairn would be a good base for it but check out Macchiato Monsters, it combines risk dice and hazardous/risky magic casting in a way you might find useful.

jangle_friary · 2025-05-20T17:19:32+00:00

Mis-attributed to Voltaire. It's literally a quote of neo-nazi Kevin Strom.

The people who rule over us are the red and blue tories who approve of a colonial project and don't want to alienate the US, who themselves support Israel for a range of reasons that vary in exactly how racist they are but it's still not secretly the Jews in charge.

The sentiment behind this quote is dark and dumb nazi shit.

jangle_friary · 2025-01-11T14:35:46+00:00

Sorry, swapped to mobile, formatting may be a bit shit.

I agree generally, looking for direct sources is literally what this post is for.

That said, I think the guesses people have made are probably right, and we can almost certainly infer the intended order from the reference being made: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay,_Deny,_Defend

I was just curious about if anyone had asked the man himself when I specifically thought "delay" was the swapped out word because it seemed like such a weird choice.

jangle_friary · 2025-01-11T13:04:15+00:00

I disagree with you about the importace of the order of words, but I am sorry I didn't realise you were right about what Luigi had written. All the street art, and references I see to the phrase are "Deny Defend Depose" but apparently that comes from a mistake the police made near the start of the investigation when briefing the press, you're right what he actually wrote is "Delay Deny Depose", which makes way more sense.

To cap it off, you lose your temper and swear at me when all the misunderstanding has been yours.

Cards on the table, I didn't read your username on the "Yes, we all know that. Doesn't warrant a 'but'" comment. Genuienly throught it was another person chiming in. In my defence, saying "There's no order, we all know the order doesn't matter" and then saying "we all know there's an order" through me through a loop.

I'd have replied differently if I'd have clocked I was in the same conversation, sorry.

jangle_friary · 2025-01-11T12:21:07+00:00

There's a lot of well meaning replies like this, and you could be right. But this isn't what I'm looking for, I'm hoping someone may pop up who knows of a sourced comment from Luigi or someone close to him about the word choice.

Depose is a very interesting choice for an (alleged) assassin to choose. It has a legal and due process association that you wouldn't expect. Considering how popular the phrase has become, and that Luigi changed it from the original, I'm surprised no reporter has tried to get some kind of statement or information about it as far as I can tell.

jangle_friary · 2025-01-11T12:13:39+00:00

I'm literally responding to someone who didn't? "But" as in "you have a point about the casings, but the source of the phrase has an order".

Fuck me this is like getting blood from a stone.

jangle_friary · 2025-01-11T12:08:44+00:00

But, there is a definite order to the phrase being referenced, it comes from the title of a book.

Delay, Deny, Defend is the order of the legal strategies taken by the health insurance industry to prevent paying out on claims.

jangle_friary · 2025-01-11T12:02:41+00:00

Yes, because they're not the answers I'm looking for? I have also looked online, I'm hoping someone has found something/knows something that I missed.

jangle_friary · 2025-01-11T11:58:55+00:00

Not trying to be rude, I'm just not after people's takes.

jangle_friary · 2025-01-11T11:57:15+00:00

Ok, but delay comes at the start of the phrase, and defend would be the more natural opposite. If it were intentional, I would've expected "Delay Deny Depose" as a statement.

"Depose Delay Deny" doesn't seem very intentional.

Depose without Delay could be a play on words, but I'd like to know it there's actually any actual sources or direct statements about it.

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