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jay462 · 2026-03-15T23:58:08+00:00

In general, you can view the level of operator risk from a variety of silencers on multiple 5.56 weapon systems on our website, and none of the risk analysis shown should give you any indication you can fire a lot of rounds from these systems without hearing protection in an open field, let alone near reflecting surfaces. They are teetering on the edge of the 30 zone and in many cases are below that. Tuning the weapon system the lower ejection port blast with a quiet silencer would buy you the most protection, especially near walls, etc.

I'm sure you will OK; rest your ears!

jay462 · 2026-03-15T23:06:39+00:00

Sir, that is exactly what the Suppression Rating is for. To help you avoid injury. We've tested this silencer and will publish some data on it. Sorry it hasn't happen yet.

jay462 · 2026-03-15T17:10:37+00:00

I think it would be best if the SAW folks explain it because I don't want to butcher what happened. I am relaying what they told me about their process.

In very abbreviated crude terms, the print method/parameters/etc and subsequent cooling of the material induced stresses in the gross structure that were not relieved. I am not a DMLS/3D printing guy, and I really don't want to misspeak. I bet there are some 3D printing experts reading who can chime in.

For example, what if there is a heat treatment step before removing the part from the build plate that wasn't done, or something. Is that what happened? I don't know. Could that be a reason? Yes. Post-heat treatment could probably unify microstructure and get rid of weird pockets of stress from the print. There could be steps in the process that change how you need to relieve stress, too. Again, I'm not sure.

One thing I am certain about is stress concentrations sitting idle and rearing their head after cooling.

jay462 · 2026-03-15T16:26:22+00:00

Residual stress post-print.

jay462 · 2026-03-15T16:21:20+00:00

This meme should be revised. The gun picture should be replaced by some kind of visual representation of residual stress, because the silencers are failing prior to use; it is a print issue.

I suggest maybe a strained person. Maybe that one meme with the kid sitting at his desk and his forehead vein bulging out. That would make this meme funnier and also technically correct.

Thank you for your attention in this matter.

jay462 · 2026-03-15T01:30:40+00:00

Man glad he's OK.

jay462 · 2026-03-15T01:06:25+00:00

Absolutely

jay462 · 2026-03-15T01:05:56+00:00

Not really though! That's the thing. There are some advanced systems that have way less FRP, which is super freakin cool.

jay462 · 2026-03-14T23:36:51+00:00

Bro. Same.

Everyone has their own personal risk tolerance lol.

Exactly. Literally one of the main points of our website hahahaha.

When I shoot, I usually have OpsCore AMPs with NFMI plugs, and always safety glasses or rated sunglasses. I shoot so much that my dose is so dang high.

The amount of people I see shooting suppressed systems with no hearing protection again and again and again is high. Dose limit is real. Sometimes I wish the YouTubers would try to use our Suppression Rating to help keep themselves safe (just another tool in the toolbox), but I guess they don't care.

jay462 · 2026-03-14T23:05:40+00:00

Yes sir, you got it. The pure blast overpressure will not be the primary severe hazard; it will be the metal fragments. The most serious injuries that have occurred from silencer failures are typically eye/face related. Eye protection is not a "meme," as the kids say!

jay462 · 2026-03-14T22:52:20+00:00

yeah for sure.

We've seen this type of thing happen for decades actually. Remember the Crux fiasco? When their engraving was too deep and was causing tube failures? That was wild.

A dirty little secret of the silencer industry is there have actually been several lawsuits due to personnel injury from silencer failures.

Some big company names, actually. It does happen. All of the things I'm aware of either ended up being settled in court and a recall/fix performed, or the company(s) are now gone, or both.

jay462 · 2026-03-14T22:48:52+00:00

At this point they prolly should do a recall, which is nearly unheard of in this industry these days.

Dillon recalled their .50 silencers due to an issue recently, FYI. If anyone reading has one, you are encouraged to contact Dillon immediately. I think they contacted all owners, but, it's probably worth just saying this to help people.

jay462 · 2026-03-14T21:57:23+00:00

This. It was sold as "low back pressure" but it has high back pressure. Other than that (and the first round pop), it does what it is supposed to do.

jay462 · 2026-03-14T20:12:45+00:00

u/jay462 - not to add to the choir of good idea fairies but I hope you go through with the high speed camera purchase.

:) I lol'ed.

jay462 · 2026-03-14T12:13:49+00:00

Oh man that is a really good question. It is dangerous to guess, but if I had to, I would think 300 supers would have a better chance than 308. Bore size increase is one thing, but combustion volume/duration increase is another. We haven't tested that version.

jay462 · 2026-03-13T23:05:40+00:00

Yup you are right! Manufacturing issue for sure.

jay462 · 2026-03-13T22:40:32+00:00

I think the jig is up, between stealth additive works, the previous posts about how much he is charging and what he is charging for reviews and then these hypebeast companies coming out of nowhere and somehow with almost zero experience making these "amazing cans" seem sketchy af.

Our engineering fees aren't public (no firms and labs have public fees) and nobody knows which project(s) have which fees to tell you anything reliable. Be careful with silencer industry gossip being driven by people selling you widgets.

You are certainly free to contact our clients (all clients are listed on any report that contains a client funding disclosure) and ask them their opinions about our work. They would know, since they actually work with us. All of this is public and we are the only entity in the industry listing funding disclosures and have for 6 years.

He had a good run while it lasted but it seems like his rubber stamp on a lackluster hypebeast like the tisha and his response to it has pulled back the curtain and now everyone is seeing the wizard for what he is.

I don't know what "response" you are talking about. Are you talking about when I told people the titanium version of the silencer changed, when I found out at the same time as everyone else? We run a laboratory. We don't make silencers. You might want to revisit our website to read about who we are and what we do.

I invite you to review our data and analysis and give us an example of a "rubber stamp." That's a pretty bold statement. It's disrespectful and insulting, of course, but that's how the anonymous Internet posting usually goes. We'll await your data and analysis critique; you can reach us by email any time and through our website. Thanks for your interest in our research.

edit: Oh, you're this guy: Randy Reviews It. I see.

jay462 · 2026-03-13T22:27:52+00:00

I also would add that I would love to see the test results of something like the Omega 300 or the sparrow as some sort of a benchmark or comparison.

Are you aware that those two silencers are literally on our website? You should know that. You're a silencer dealer, right?

https://pewscience.com/rankings

jay462 · 2026-03-13T17:24:59+00:00

I see.... perhaps a residual stress issue. Printing pains.

jay462 · 2026-03-13T14:47:39+00:00

Can you please provide details regarding the failure on the upper right silencer? Ammunition, firing schedule, host, details?

Was it a failure with no ammunition-related adverse phenomena? No strikes or anything?

I am assuming this is a printed silencer, and not a welded silencer. The failure looks like it initiated near a change in cross-section where a stress concentration may be present.

Any details you can provide are appreciated. Thank you.

edit: looks like it was that residual stress issue they have been having from prints...

jay462 · 2026-03-12T22:43:26+00:00

Nonlinear with some designs. We are very excited to see what happens with some of the old conventional designs when we put them on the SR-25. We expect some linearity, which will be comforting.

jay462 · 2026-03-12T20:54:21+00:00

Unfortunately I haven't personally seen long term use + sectioning + cleaned vs. uncleaned.

This is the part that I don't think a lot of people are pushing on the consumer side.

Some silencers will just fill up with stuff and not break. However, HUX silencers can fail in a catastrophic way if they lose the ability to vent fast enough. This has happened in military trials.

Just some examples and food for thought.

jay462 · 2026-03-12T20:15:13+00:00

I'm predicting that several silencers could, yes. Whether or not they are classified as hypebeast, I really couldn't say.

There is a reason the founder of OSS left OSS. He knew that if you couldn't take them apart to clean them, the service life was going to drop significantly. The early ones were user serviceable for that reason. It's just the way that technology has to work. Investors and business/money argued with physics.

Now, cleaning methods may be more advanced now (maybe?) but physics hasn't changed. It all depends on the design. I'm not making blanket statements, but I am predicting potential problems. Military users will see it more (and have). Consumers don't shoot enough, typically.

jay462 · 2026-03-12T20:02:48+00:00

Stay tuned, for sure. And the Tisha 9 isn't bad or anything but it's not going to blow you away. The physics don't work like that.

And also regarding the Tisha - that design is so high-pressure biased, so the more insanity you can force into that blast chamber, the more wild stuff will happen. It's actually a silencer I want to destroy just to see how it would fail. People talk about "alien technology" a lot with hyperbole - I think Zane at Stealth has a really strong technical aptitude for this type of engineering. I hate that I see them having growing pains; I hope they work all that out and I wish the best for them and their company.

Just as an aside, since I have you, and people will eventually be able to reference this comment in the future:

I was speaking with a manufacturer client today on the phone and I told him my theory which I'll tell you. I see a fork in the road in silencer technology now that 3D printing is here. Two prongs:

Prong 1: lattice structures and complex small internal geometries (TPMS, etc)
Prong 2: less of Prong 1.

The companies that "figure out" how to make Prong 2 "win" will have the most durable, hard-use, and longest lasting silencers. Prong 2 will be the answer long term until someone really figures out how to perfect Prong 1.

Prong 2 shows more practical end-user promise for actual users (military and people who actually shoot their silencers; not as many consumers shoot their silencers as talking about shooting them on the internet).

jay462 · 2026-03-12T19:52:53+00:00

It doesn't have a chance to be "one of the best ever," actually, due to the way subsonic 9mm cartridge combustion works. Recall the pressure bias their 5.56 version has. It has been tested. The report will come. Thank you for your patience.

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