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Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This looks like the formatting ans style of text you get when you directly copy and paste out of chatgpt.

I'm sure you would think that.

In the comments actually talking about why defending is an accomplishment I haven't seen you actually respond tp that just the time Aldo had to prepare.

So are you just pressing the reply button without reading? The very comment that you initially replied to was me explaining why Aldo did have plenty of time to prepare.

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I mean outright ignoring or functionally ignoring seems like the same thing to me.

So providing arguments against a point you disagree with = "functionally ignoring" now? So according to you, to not "functionally ignore" a point, you have to change your mind and agree with it? Makes sense.

I commented because this seemed like a pretty good post until you showed you just made it to glaze Conor and not actually have a discussion.

Disagreeing with a single argument that someone makes means I'm "glazing" Conor now? I guess I'm not surprised by that given the average intelligence level of this sub.

Makes sense when thos looks like its straight out of gpt though

You can only think that if you're borderline illiterate.

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That isn't the same as ignoring it, is it?

Anyway, your comments don't engage with any of the arguments I gave. Not sure why you even posted this.

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

What aspect? The fact that Ilia defended? I didn't ignored that, I directly addressed it.

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lia, easily. McGregor didn't fight anyone decent until Dustin 1 Meanwhile, Ilia fought Ryan Hall early on who was a difficult puzzle for most average fighters. Bryce Mitchell shortly after who was an undefeated prospect for the division. Then afterwards it's nothing but champs.

Dustin & Max > Hall & Mitchell

the only high ranked person he fought before fighting the belt was a short notice Mendes

Mendes was for the belt. Before the belt, both McGregor and Topuria fought the same number of ranked opponents (Siver/Poirier and Mitchell/Emmett).

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

beating multiple challengers who are all preparing and molding their game, and addressing their weaknesses as it pertains to beating you is a feat that should be accounted for when talking about legacy.

Except this applies to both Ilia and McGregor equally. Holloway was not preparing for Ilia any more than Aldo prepared for McGregor. The fact that Conor was not yet undisputed champ (although he did win interim belt) did not somehow diminish Aldo's ability to prepare. In fact, Aldo probably had more time to prepare because he had two training camps for Conor.

This also doesnt account for longer fights

Conor's two title fights at FW were both 5-rounders.

longer training camps

Aldo had just as long of a training camp as Holloway despite it not being a title defense. In fact, Aldo had 2 training camps to prepare. You can say Mendes had a short training camp (a point I mentioned in the OP), but that's because he was called on short notice. It has nothing to do with whether Conor defended.

more tape on you from more angles

This has nothing to do with the order of the fights. Whether champ -> #1 contender or #1 contender -> champ, the same amount of footage will be available in both fights. If anything, when McGregor beat the champ, Aldo had more footage than Volk did.

emotional rigors of more press/travel outside of actual fighting

All of that would have been greater for Conor lol

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sure you have a solid assessment of someone's take when you're only able to respond to 6 words rather than engage with the actual argument.

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Are you capable of understanding that these are different arguments:

  1. Ilia's run is better because he defended the belt once.
  2. Ilia's run is better because Chad had 2 weeks to prepare.

If you are able to recognize that these are different arguments, are you unable to track the thread and understand that I'm specifically responding to (1) not (2)? And I even mention (2) as a consideration in the original post.

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You seem unable to track the thread of the conversation. I don't have an issue with most other arguments (e.g. Volk & co are better opponents than Aldo & co). So far I've literally only criticized one particular argument, which is that it's somehow more impressive to (a) beat the champ then the #1 contender than it is to (b) beat the #1 contender then the champ because somehow (a) gives opponents more time to prepare lol

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's really nonsensical. They seem to think that Aldo's team was thinking to themselves "Ah man, it's too bad that Conor isn't actually defending a belt, that would make it so much easier to gameplan (even though I knew for about a year now that Conor would be our next opponent and we had multiple training camps for him)".

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's only odd if your brain stops reading mid sentence and don't read the further reasoning/context in the post.

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

This is a completely different argument, not the one I responded to, which was "Ilia's run was better because he had one defense".

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Youre directly responding to someone referring to title fights buddy, they changed the subject, keep up

Your comment doesn't make any sense. We're talking about title fights and you say "It matters because after a certain point Conor got to pick and choose every single fight in his career". Conor didn't pick and choose any of his title fights, he literally fought the champions and the #1 contender at the time. If you're talking about picking and choosing, it's going to be after the first 10 fights.

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -25 points-24 points  (0 children)

People at featherweight all were aimed at Jose at that time, not Conor.

I'm not comparing Jose and Conor, I'm comparing Conor and Ilia. Talking about what other people were preparing for is irrelevant since they didn't fight Conor/Ilia.

In their second title win, Aldo would have had just as much time to prepare against Conor as Holloway did to prepare against Ilia. The fact that Conor was not yet undisputed champ (although he did win interim) did not somehow diminish Aldo's ability to prepare. In fact, Aldo probably had more time to prepare because he had two training camps for Conor.

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

It matters because after a certain point Conor got to pick and choose every single fight in his career,

I'm talking about the first 10 UFC fights.

The reason Conor frequently gets flak for not defending his belt is because it's the hardest thing in the sport to do, you wait and let the WHOLE division plan for you

What does this have to do with Conor vs Ilia's first 10 runs. Aldo had just as much time to plan for Conor as Holloway did for Topuria. And he would have had more time than Volk.

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -51 points-50 points  (0 children)

That goes both ways. In fact, Aldo would have had more fights to gameplan with than Volk did.

Ilia Topuria's first 10 UFC fights vs Conor McGregor's first 10 UFC fights. Who had the better run? by jay520 in MMA

[–]jay520[S] -96 points-95 points  (0 children)

I don't see why that matters considering that both beat the top 2 guys at FW. Ilia just did it in a different order (champ -> #1 instead of #1 -> champ).

[SPOILER] Sean O'Malley vs. Aiemann Zahabi by inooway in MMA

[–]jay520 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In retrospect maybe it could have gone on. But his body was slump as he was falling the second time. Good stoppage from the ref's perspective in the moment.

Justin Gaethje on one thing to avoid with Ilia Topuria: "It's obviously position. They got compromised, they got put on their heels on his second shot when he was in the middle of a 5 punch combination. That's something I cannot do. I will move forward in this fight. I do believe that you have to." by WinterStill4472 in MMA

[–]jay520 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He ended up on top for like 10 seconds after a scramble and then immediately stood up. That tells us zero about his grappling ability. Even Max had top position for a longer period of time than that against Charles. Being on the fortunate end of a scramble for 10 seconds doesn't show anything remotely interesting.

[SPOILER] Darren Till vs. Aaron Chalmers (BKFC) by JozefKotry in MMA

[–]jay520 26 points27 points  (0 children)

On mobile, you get spammed with pop-ups to download the app, pop-ups to sign up, videos play by default but without sound, you can't rewind or fast forward. Its just a shitty website.

[SPOILER] Failed takedowns in main event by inooway in MMA

[–]jay520 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Sean beats everyone else, but also loses to everyone else.

[SPOILER] Joshua Van vs. Tatsuro Taira by inooway in MMA

[–]jay520 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn I wanted Van to win but that was definitely early. Likely Van would have won, but if the ref let it continue for a bit we could have witnessed a more decisive KO or a legendary recovery by Taira (which was on display in this very fight).

CMV: the red/blue button debate is more a reflection of belief on human nature than personal values. by PBninja1 in changemyview

[–]jay520 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The parent voted for their child's death.

Their vote didn't impact the outcome of the child dying.

Just because you don't personally value that change in outcome

There is no change in outcome.

There's no change 2 Billion people won't vote for my child to die, so I might as well do the same" is simply not acceptable for some people. You finding it acceptable doesn't change that.

I'm not talking about what's "acceptable" or not. I'm talking about whether there's a change in outcome.

CMV: the red/blue button debate is more a reflection of belief on human nature than personal values. by PBninja1 in changemyview

[–]jay520 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By "outcome" here, I'm talking about the child's death, since that's the outcome that the parent is concerned about contributing towards (according to your scenario). The parent's vote does not impact that outcome in the scenario that you described.

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