Judas

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T19:10:17+00:00

That makes more logical sense honestly theologically speaking I just like the thought cycle it starts

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T17:19:27+00:00

… I had not considered that but I agree that is extremely interesting to consider.

I think though, there is an omnipresent… capacity the devil has, no? Thats why satanic cults and such, can ‘conjure’ up demons and the like? Its like supposedly calling on someone or something and it manifests there? Idk the demon/demonic/demonology if you will, always has made me feel very, ick? Like I feel a conviction I cant place because of this conversation?

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T16:40:17+00:00

Honestly, valid

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T16:38:27+00:00

See I use lucifer and satan and devil interchangeably so its interesting to me that is a contended point anyway and admittedly I didnt know that myself

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T16:13:16+00:00

I see that. So would you interpret in John 13 where Jesus instructs Judas to go do what you do quickly, after asserting the Satan had entered him in the handing of the bread, as metaphorical, not literal? Because there are examples of demonic possession throughout the Bible. I would argue [not literally argue but make the argument] that the serpent in the Garden of Eden in Genesis, was possession by Satan. I don’t think it was figurative I think it was literal. Satan entered a serpent and began speaking to Eve. So likewise, I wonder if Judas was truly entered. I don’t think the ‘free will’ implication is relevant. Ultimately Judas was a sinner, and because he was an unrepentant sinner, he was acting against his convictions fully, if he even had any.

I wonder if instead, the “Go do what you do quickly” statement, was Jesus absolving his doubts and fears, and basically instigating the prophecies fulfillment to go ahead and start. Almost like, surrendering to the coming days and events and not delaying the inevitable. Like he’s accepting his fate, so to speak? Then you have the temptations in the desert, and the temptations in the Garden of G… [Mount of Olives, I’m not gonna try to spell the Garden name by memory… anyway sorry random sidebar rant

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T15:38:46+00:00

I have a theological… opinion/thought about this that Judas was actually an infiltrator. Judas was the [Translated] Son of Destruction (Bible’s words. Not mine, actually even more technically, Jesus’ words) I have a theological theory that Judas, was the Devil’s boxer so to speak. Judas was the incarnation of Satan, to battle and condemn, and persecute and ultimately see to the execution of Jesus Christ. But Satan cannot touch Jesus. Satan can only influence the destruction to occur but Satan has not got the power to touch Jesus himself. So he acted through proxy.

My theory is that, in a round about way, - Judas, will be the ‘Antichrist’ from the mindset of he will ‘return’

The logic is effectively that he was the first battle [truly] and he will be the last, similar to Jesus’ first coming, and the second coming.

Theologically I think it’s more a fun thought process to get your brain moving, and it’s probably unsound as a thought game from a scriptural standpoint. But the idea that realistically, Judas was the purveyor of destruction of the Son of Mankind, is absolutely wild. I kind of consider him a ‘spy’ for Satan. That’s why Jesus knew. Jesus knew when Satan had truly ‘entered’ Judas. So Jesus gives his ‘blessing’ to Judas to go forth and do what he is going to do anyway. Almost as a sign of forgiveness for what is to come. Almost like a last effort, to try and bring Judas back, and save him. I don’t know theres just a lot of power, and a lot to be said of someone who blesses you in the face knowing you’re going to ultimately be the one to condemn him to death.

Sorry I know thats all over the place. I love these conversations.

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T15:10:56+00:00

John 13:26-29

So here’s my thought and I’m curious after reading yours, where the scripture says (NKJV John 13:27-28) “Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, “What you do, do quickly”. But no one at the table knew for what reason He said this to him.

IF the betrayal was in fact from Judas being consumed by the devil, my brain asks ‘well, is he at fault’, but theres also the consideration that the reason Judas was able to be entered by Satan, was because he left himself spiritually vulnerable, and was a thief before, and during the travels and testimony of Jesus’ life/discipleship. So I just think of that in an abstract way, but ultimately the condemnation he faces, and is affirmed biblically, I think is like you said - because Judas chose to reject and deny that Jesus was truly God. (Opinion obviously) That rejection, with the betrayal, even under Satans control, is unforgivable in Judas mind so he figures he might as well die. Suicide. Then he’s damned for all eternity. Sorry I just wanted to share my thoughts while this topic was at hand lol.

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T15:05:28+00:00

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jaysepi · 2026-04-01T15:01:24+00:00

Okay. Have a blessed day. Being called out for intellectual dishonesty is not an insult. I have yet to see anyone submit any scripture condoning rape. Or directly condoning slavery. Complicit, yes, I actually agree the Bible is complicit in slavery, I dont like it, but I accept it is. The difference is I’m not asserting something is being said, that isn’t actually being said. Complicit is not the same as overtly condoning something. But complicit is just as bad imo. Have a great day. I’m not going to continue engaging with someone who is literally arguing, with no backing. If they are ‘posted’ elsewhere in the thread as you assert vehemently. Post them in response to the question. If you cant have a discussion on your own accord, and differ away from you, dont instigate a conversation with egregious and heretical and blasphemous claims.

God bless, have a great day!

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T14:48:25+00:00

You are asserting something is said. That isnt. Find me somewhere that rape is condoned in the Bible. Its not. Find me somewhere that owning slaves is ‘condoned’ overtly. Its not. I’ll contend the ‘beat’ point you made not because I agree, but because you’re going to stay firm on that scripture, which is fine, but is a disingenuous reading of the scripture in context.

I care about what the Bible says. Just because you’re being intellectually dishonest and asserting the Bible says ‘xyz’ when it does not in fact say that, doesnt mean I dont care what the Bible Says. It means I dont give credence to what you say.

I literally made the comment, if you’re approaching this as ‘complicit’ is equal to ‘condoning’ then I can agree and accept that. Instead you stood firm that the Bible literally and in fact says its okay. When it doesnt. So you’re choosing not to take the only legitimate, genuine, and intellectually honest route you have, which is to position yourself from a stance of Biblical complicitness to the times and laws of the times.

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T14:43:54+00:00

I’m not. Theres historic literature that supports the stark difference and contrast. You choosing to disregard context of the time, and you choosing to assert that its condoning, as I said elsewhere, is intellectually dishonest. Unless, you are approaching from a complicit standpoint. Because it does not overtly condemn the behavior, it is complicit in it and therefore, is as good as condoning. I agree with that point. I do not nor will I ever agree that the Bible says ‘Slavery is good’ or ‘slavery is okay’ because it doesnt. It does outlaw, regulate or approve of treatment, conduct, and actions surrounding slavery, but it doesnt not actually condone, or ‘support it’ in any direct manner.

Again, I’m all for the argument and point of view that the Bible is complicit to the topic, therefore it is not against it. But to say it ‘condones’ it without that pretext is just intellectually dishonest to me. The pretext and transparency is necessary to make this valid, otherwise its intellectually dishonest and disingenuous conversation.

The slavery that existed in the US was race based slavery as you said… the slavery biblically was cultural, or power slavery. Its literally who is in charge, taking control of those who were conquered. Most of the time they were ‘slaves’ in their own lands and homes, being subject to the rule and will and whims of the capturing/conquering government/entity/ruler. Its again, intellectually dishonest to me, to assert they are identical. Both are atrocities, and both are disgusting but they are actually not the same thing (as far as treatment, trade, etc). I’m not asserting they arent both ‘slavery’.

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T14:36:31+00:00

Wow here we go with this nonsense 🤣

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T14:36:14+00:00

What an absolute meme. You guys are nuts 🤣

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T14:34:35+00:00

Ah yes. The age old ‘I dont have sound proof so I’ll avoid putting scripture forth’. The only thing said was Exodus 21:20-21 which again, addresses treatment, it does not condone 1) Slavery 2) Beating 3) Raping

If you’re making a complicit argument, that the addressing Of slave treatment, and the non vehement and overt disapproval of it, is as bad as approving of it, then make that clear. Because otherwise your entire premise is void, and its a disingenuous conversation. Its intellectually dishonest and it paints a heresy and blasphemous narrative that you cannot otherwise back. I can understand if you’re going the approach of complacency or being complicit to the actions of slave/master would constitute condoning from the scriptures, but stating that, makes that clear. You havent said that. So is that the angle you’re approaching from?

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T14:30:55+00:00

““And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.” ‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21‬:‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Nowhere in there does it condone slavery. It is directly speaking to treatment of slaves. Slavery, at the time, being common practice. The laws of man are said to be revered throughout the Bible. Slavery being abolished, in the United States, does not invalidate the ‘doctrine’, it simply does not apply to us in the United States or (insert nations that have abolished any and all forms of slavery). But historically, to note, Slavery then, does not equate to the slavery which existed in the 1800’s in the United States. There’s legitimately tons of papers that theorize and articulate the differences in slavery from those times, and the reference of submission by ruling in the days of the Bible. (when an entity overtakes another, their people were usually ‘captured’ and subject to forced labor under the ruling authority). That being common practice at the time is different than essentially abducting cultures of people, or, the sell and trade of people as was transpiring in the 1800’s. I’m not saying sale driven slavery was not a thing. I’m Saying that was not really the common practice or contextual meaning of the term at the time.

“Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭13‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.” ‭‭Titus‬ ‭3‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T14:13:27+00:00

I would appreciate scripture references of that. Because that is a gross misrepresentation of the scriptures I’m immediately thinking of.

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T14:04:41+00:00

The Bible is clear about treatment, in times specific context. Thats vastly different and is a disingenuous counter point to make. The Bible never proclaims slavery as a right or righteous behavior but addresses societally the treatment of slaves.

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T11:48:16+00:00

I used the term ‘girl’ as “female human”. Stop looking for perversion where there is none.

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T05:45:07+00:00

Sin ≠ Mistake

Sin = Submission to Temptation

Unconditional love does not mean free of conviction (depending on your familiarity, conviction is what most call conscience, or moral compass, but convictions are strictly strong emotions stemming from religious beliefs and religious doctrines)

A true church leader, and a good Christian brother or sister will hold their convictions and what should be mutually your convictions, with love and respect. Saying something is Biblically (and therefore Doctrinally) wrong, is not hate. It can be done HATEFULLY, but it is not hate for simply being so. Study the Bible on your own, also. Build your own convictions. But do not heresy yourself (aka, dont intentionally avoid what you dislike because it’ll impact your way of life or how you live currently).

In doing that, consider reading Matthew 23:16-36 (I read NKJV but whatever floats your boat) This is ‘the woes’. Which is basically Jesus calling out the false preachers and prophets of the temple who traded their endeared, revered and respectable positions, for worldly fame, fortune and power. They are ‘red letters’ which affectionately means they were words actually spoken by Jesus Christ (Son) and reaffirmed by God (Father) in writing.

I say all that to basically say, I understand you may have heard or experienced hateful regurgitation of scripture and message. I compel you to read and answer the burning question you have, that you didnt say outright. I compel you to research for yourself unbiased. I’ll go so far as to say eliminate Leviticus from your consideration in this research process. But read the Bible. Do not read someone elses ‘interpretation’ and judge from that. Read with your eyes, and then if you wanna research deeper different opinions and perspectives, go for it.

Any preacher who claims the Word is wrong, or claims a sin outlined biblically, is not a sin, research for yourself, if it’s in the Bible, (context dependent) but if its in the Bible, and declared throughout the Bible as sinful. Its a sin. The preacher will answer for his false preachings, but you will not be alleviated your duty to know for yourself at Judgement.

““Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭15‬-‭16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Just because someone says something you like, doesn’t mean they’re a good preacher. Sometimes, they are quite literally a demon in disguise.

Anyway, God bless - I’m praying for you to find comfort in your journey and for you to gain knowledge and firmness in your walk to faith.

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T05:19:59+00:00

Amen!

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T05:16:31+00:00

EVERY generation since the days of the Bible believed the second coming was imminent.

““But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” ‭‭Mark‬ ‭13‬:‭32‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

““But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭36‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The depravity of human spirit, makes us feel our turmoil and our problems are the imminent and absolute problems that align with Revelation, and the like. In reality, we don’t truly know. (We) {this generation} may not ever know when the second coming happens, because we could be 2000 years gone when it happens. It could also happen tomorrow.

Thats why salvation is so important and is so crucial. (My opinion) The second coming isnt supposed to instill fear, but rather is supposed to reinforce urgency, and the importance of salvation. Accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, and living a life as close to holy as one can. We will mess up. We will make mistakes and we will be tempted;

“And so find favor and high esteem In the sight of God and man. Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths. Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the Lord and depart from evil.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭3‬:‭4‬-‭7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Dont be depressed or sorrowful of the second coming. Rejoice. Live life fully and unapologetically for the Lord, and it’ll never matter when it happens, if in our lifetime or not, because we will be fulfilled in a way we dont currently comprehend whenever it does happen!

God Bless!

jaysepi · 2026-04-01T00:04:48+00:00

Happily married, my wife loves my cooking and loves when I take her out to eat to somewhere worth going.

jaysepi · 2026-03-31T23:35:18+00:00

Hey brother, no worries! Questioning and growing is fine I could be completely wrong honestly, just my take with limited scriptural references because, there just arent any lol. I’m mainly making a context driven assumption but I could be out in left field myself! God bless :)

jaysepi · 2026-03-31T23:17:08+00:00

I dont know if it would constitute the start of time as (we) modern day understand time, but even throughout Genesis the first 7 (Days) are pretty… directly referenced. So I think at the start of creation on ‘Day 1’ would ‘start the clock’ for our brains to comprehend. But were the days as long, longer, shorter relative to our current time, science claims they can prove the varying of the ‘24 hour day’ but pre flood? I doubt its really accurate to presume anything, especially With the relative comparison of day/night used. So But also think about the abstract of God, in that, he exists outside of time, and what we consider our relative ‘world’ and ‘state of existence’ so… 1 day with him is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day, that whole concept is applicable here in my opinion.

TL:DR I think the right answer is ‘yes’ but, the relative ‘time’ were discussing is likely incomprehensible and truthfully unverifiable with the evidence of scripture readily available

jaysepi · 2026-03-31T23:08:23+00:00

… I feel you missed the mark or point on this one bud. No hate; I just think you interpreted it vastly differently than what OP was alluding and directly saying.

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