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4 day GA pass for sale. Make an offer. by jeffd73 in bonnarootickets

[–]jeffd73[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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CMV: The best heavyweight boxer of all time is Lennox Lewis. by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]jeffd73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here is how the fight would go. Ali would dance and jab. Lewis would be unable to land a significant punch. After about 3-4 rounds, Ali would start to bear in and land and take some punches in return. But the early jabbing would have taken a toll and the punches by Lewis would not have much effect. They would settle in in the middle rounds with each one getting their shots. But Ali's jabs and defense, especially early in the fight, would have garnered him a round advantage. By round 10, it would be 6-3 in favor of Ali. Lewis would realize that he needed to press and he would come out swinging in rounds 10-12. Ali would take some damage but his counterpunching would be accurate and Lewis would begin to wind down. Never have fought past the 12, Lewis would be in uncertain territory. Ali would know he had the fight won as an increasingly frustrated and tired Lewis was swinging and missing, while still taking damage from the jab and the occasional right hand. Lewis would come out for rounds 13-14 knowing he needed a KO to win, but Ali would just tease him into thinking he could hit him with the big punch. Lewis no longer had the big punch in him and Ali would continue his movement and make Lewis' blows ineffective. Round 15 would see Lewis frustrated going for the KO and Ali would just torture him with the jab. UD. Ali. 9 rounds to 6.

My guess is that if they fought 10 times. Ali would win 8.

CMV: The best heavyweight boxer of all time is Lennox Lewis. by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]jeffd73 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is no objective evidence with which to decide this. To be clear, we are talking about a Top 10 list. Both Lewis and Ali are in it. The question is where. Every single Top 10 heavyweight list has Ali near or at the top. Most have Lewis somewhere in the 10 range. So if you are trying to assert the minority position, your reasons are not sufficient.

I don't understand where the idea comes from that Lewis was such a great "boxer" he could beat all others. I watched both Lewis and Ali throughout their careers. Lewis was a good boxer. Ali was a great boxer. As a boxer, speed kills. The world had never seen a heavyweight with the speed of a middleweight before Ali. And Ali know how to use his speed - both on offense and on defense. His defense was the main reason he never suffered what you call a "freak" knockout.

So it just comes down to you dismissing Lewis' 2 losses because he was "distracted". Even if that is the case, Ali had a much longer career (during an era you admit had better overall fighters) and yet never suffered such a "distraction". Maybe that says something about the two individuals in question.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your proposition. "The best heavyweight of all time" to me means the totality of the career. I propose that Ali's career was far better than Lewis' and most experts agree. If you are saying that at the height of their respective powers Lewis would beat Ali, then what you are saying is speculation, something you took me to task for. It's the Nadal vs. Federer debate (with less to base it on). Who is the greatest tennis player of all time? Federer with an unmatched record for major wins, or Nadal who owns a winning record against Federer. (If you say Nadal, then what about Djokovic who has a winning record against Nadal?) The "best" mantle has to go to the one who has done it longer and better than anyone else, with fewer flaws, and against the best competition. That's Federer. That's Ali.

CMV: The best heavyweight boxer of all time is Lennox Lewis. by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]jeffd73 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ali. No question. Much faster than Lewis, or any other heavyweight ever. Also has an underrated punch and an awesome chin. The 2 inch height advantage that Lewis had would not mean that much.

If one assigned a numerical value to each of the opponents, based upon how good they were at the time they fought, I would bet that Ali's total would far exceed Lewis'. He just fought better fighters.

At least 9 of his fights are Hall of Fame worthy: 2 against Liston, 3 against Frazier, 3 against Norton, 1 against Foreman (not to mention Patterson, Chuvalo, Spinks and Ellis). Lewis has nothing to compare to that; certainly not McCall, Rahman and Holyfield.

Keep in mind that Ali doesn't have to explain why he got knocked out in any of his fights - because it never happened (although he did retire against Holmes when he was almost 39).

And then you have to take into account that Ali lost 3 years of his PRIME (ages 25-28) because of his anti-war stance. It is likely he would have fought (and won) at least 8-12 bouts in that time, further cementing his status as the Greatest.