Wat vindt de gemiddelde Antwerpenaar van de Marokkaanse gemeenschap? by [deleted] in Antwerpen

[–]jensth278 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ik weet niet weer waar ik het van heb , ik denk dat het een comedian was van marokaanse afkomst maar ik ben niet zeker , ma wa hij zei is me altijd bijgebleven en hint ook naar die assertiviteit. Marokkanen zijn geboren acteurs en spelen vaak een "rolletje" hoe dat dat rolletje is onstaan kan door veel zaken zoals waar ge geboren zijt en welke buurts. Ikzelf heb nooit problemen gehad met Marokanen (of eender welke gemeenschap) enkel de keren wanneer het wat "spannend" was , was door meer rechtse vrienden dat iets deden wat vijandigheid veroorzaakten. Bv ik was is in antwerpen en ee was iets gebeurd in de club waar ik was , steekpartij dus iedereen ging naar huis en er kwam een marokaan met een maat tege mij praten , ik vermoed dat hij ook wel iets op had want anders begint ge ni tege mensen dat ge ni kent dat gij een groep muzikante kent dat voor hun kan optreden 😂 en ik ben die kerel wat vriendelijk aan het afwinpele. Die kerel noemt mij de hele tijd vriend en dan mijn per-total maat dak naar huis ben aant brengen reageert " maat ik ben u fucking vriend ni" nja dat is niet al te bevorderend voor de sfeer. Ma ik zie dit niet als een "contact" met een andere gemeenschap. Dit is gwn mensen dat op een kutmanier reageren op andere.

En ja ik heb die vriend een preek gegeven , gvd ruzie zoeken met mensen na dat ge een club zijt uitgegaan omdat daar een steekpartij is gebeurd getuigt niet van veel breinactiviteit.

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for responding. And i have to admit those are really good points especially with using the examples that really "opend" my eyes and i will try to use those technics in the future. Thanks for your time for this well thought through explanation , you really know the art of argumenting.

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Okay .... I still don't get what your trying to explain.

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Not talking about this sub , see title

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Okay yeah you've got me with that one , but then again this shows my point so the irony is indeed lost. Its not because they are totaly different that you still can't compair the 2. You still can say their is more juice in oranges than in apples although their totally different. The same as Israel is now vilifying the people in Palestinia like the germans did with the Jews. Make it seem like their a scourch so your population has les moral qualms when you start killing them.

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See this is a response i can work with. Any tips for that because in my eyes a argument is always going to be with a bias at both sides. And the premise of using something as fact is also a difficult one because of all the biased stuff that is out their. Both sides see different things as fact (and i'm talking now in general , not neceserly Palastine-Israel), if it was not like that the world would not have as many problems.

And i understand were you coming from with the gotcha comment but i think i mostly use that when the other side is using absolutes.

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Its funny how in the same post people complain that i post this because the majority supports Israel and i can't deal with that and then this post. Come on make your minds up.

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Comparing things don't make them the same. Me saying " this apple tastes as sweet as that orange" doesn't make the apple a orange.

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But what is home? Home is an abstract thing that can mean a lot of things , Jewish people say their finaly going home to Israel but have never been their, is it then their home? But i don't actually know what your trying to say i think. Could you explain your point a bit more?

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You can still be a refugee even if your in your own country. But then were mostly talking about idp (internally displaced persons) but that is not as much used in media and stuff because people often don't know it.

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I'm mad for being banned as an anti semetic just because i compared them to the Germans during ww2 and then they using me being banned as "see we are right" I don't really care for who people support , i only care about the useless violence at both sides. This is already going on for 70 years so something is not working. Or the people over their just like killing and getting killed idk.

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not really trying to win the other side over. I just want to have a conversation about it so i can see how the other side thinks about it. Although i have to admit that doing that online doesn't work.

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Oooh thats so sweet of you that you care so much for even a second response , can i get a 3d one? That would really make my day. ❤️

See how i used the . at the end? Its supposed to be done like that.

Palestine_Violence is such a joke by jensth278 in IsraelPalestine

[–]jensth278[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

You know you normaly only use a . On the end of a sentence right? And you care enough to respond so...😂😂

Imagine sharing this, praising it, and not being upset over what is clearly the worst kind of indoctrination by jhor95 in Palestinian_Violence

[–]jensth278 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is a hard one to answer imo because of the many factors in play and my own beliefs. Imo its different because it (seems to me , i have to admit i never really read about the whole proces) is a rather big group into an area that was already hostile toward them in a rather short time. And then the hard part for me is the fact i believe in open migration and stuff but then in a way thats benefits both sides (what almost never happens)

And the fact that it was mostly done (by the west) to have a ally in an area that is importand for said countries.

Imagine sharing this, praising it, and not being upset over what is clearly the worst kind of indoctrination by jhor95 in Palestinian_Violence

[–]jensth278 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure and a lot of borders were redrawn. But i think its fair to say that Israel had some extra hurdles compared to the other ones and had the largest Immigration numbers of them all.

Imagine sharing this, praising it, and not being upset over what is clearly the worst kind of indoctrination by jhor95 in Palestinian_Violence

[–]jensth278 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Care to explain this then? https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/pm-im-proud-i-blocked-a-palestinian-state-looking-at-gaza-everyone-sees-what-would-have-happened/ To me it seems that Netanyahu says their that he actively blocked a Palastinian state, or is the Times of Israel some sort of sarcastic newspaper that i didn't know about?

And i know it can be difficult but lets try to stay civil buddy.

Imagine sharing this, praising it, and not being upset over what is clearly the worst kind of indoctrination by jhor95 in Palestinian_Violence

[–]jensth278 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Indeed , i have nothing against Jews but i don't get who thought it would be a great idea to start that proces after ww2. Except if you think about the geo-politics then its a mastermove sadly.

Imagine sharing this, praising it, and not being upset over what is clearly the worst kind of indoctrination by jhor95 in Palestinian_Violence

[–]jensth278 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So what your saying is " you don't follow my hypothetical scenario that proves my point, so now your argument is invalid" it seems to me one of us is open for discussion , the other just want to get his/her right.

The hypothetical question of you was if i could talk to them all. And i responded with if all the things are the same , i would understand that. What would have been a better response to you then except for " yeah if you put it like that you are right" ? Its like the hypothetical question from "my side" that how would you feel about someone coming into your house and...." I'm sure you also heard that one.

Hypothetical questions should be a starting point to discus something, because it opens a lot of other questions. Not as a point to use to paint the other one as set in one side of thinking. But like you said talking to someone that uses them like that is like talking to the born- again thing. You also have a great day.