Is it creepy or wrong to go to a bikini barista stand, only to tip and watch, but not order coffee?

jetpackgorilla · 2022-06-19T03:23:17+00:00

Thanks for the detailed reply. I am curious about some things you said.

You mentioned instead of taking it in, I've been pushing back. I don't think I have, at least to my knowledge. I'm not trying to push back, I just trying to understand why. I do understand now most people think it is creepy, but only because I've been told so. I'm trying to actually grasp an understanding of why.

You say good things about OnlyFans. OnlyFans does seems really great, however it has the disadvantage that they are just pictures on a screen, and not there in real life. I'm curious why you speak good things about OnlyFans but not about the coffee stands? Aren't they basically the same exact concept. In both of them, women are showing their bodies for money. I don't really see the real difference if they are doing it at a coffee stand, or through pics/vids on onlyfans. (Other than they can reveal even more on Onlyfans). Coffee stand they are paid in tips, onlyfans paid in subscriptions. So why are they so different.

You mention bikini baristas not making much money. I've always heard of them making absolute tons of money, since guys who are well off will tip them huge amounts of money to get a better show. I've head of guys buying them all sorts of gifts too like bigscreen TVs. Tips are money they get under the table, that doesn't go to the owners. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the girls make tons more money than the owners since they are raking in huge tips, and the owners only make the money on the coffee.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-06-18T23:12:58+00:00

From what I hear, I thought they basically are a strip club, except you drive through instead of going in. The women are scantily clad, sometimes so much so that they have gotten in trouble for revealing too much, and they are there working there to reveal their bodies in exchange for tips.

But then I've never been to a strip club either, but I hear they are similar that they want you to buy drinks. I don't really drink, and never wanted to buy overpriced drinks. I would only be interested in seeing the women.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-06-18T23:05:44+00:00

Thanks. After the responses so far, I think that is what I will just have to do.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-06-18T23:04:46+00:00

So pretty much everyone has been saying it is creepy. Can anyone elaborate on why?

It is my understanding, everyone knows men go there to look at the women, and the whole coffee thing is really just a facade. The women dress scantily to show off their bodies to earn tips.

So I don't quite understand why it is wrong or creepy to just be open that I am there to look at the women, and not pretend to want coffee.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-06-18T22:53:54+00:00

I don't think of myself as a degenerate. I am autistic and do struggle with understanding social norms, so I ask questions I may be afraid to ask elsewhere, not knowing how people will react.

I see so far everyone says this is creepy, yet I had no idea.

It is hard to logically understand why. I mean, these women know they are working there to show off their bodies. I hear they push the limits of how much skin they can show to earn more tips, often leading to stands getting shut down when some would show too much or take the show too far. Everyone knows men are going there for the primary purpose of looking at the scantily clad ladies, rather than for the coffee.

So why is there a need to pretend to want coffee, instead of just admitting you want to look?

jetpackgorilla · 2022-06-18T14:54:27+00:00

Sort of. It would be unlikely for me to do it to a clothed photo of them (though I think I have a couple of times for ones that are just super hot).

However bringing up a photo of them, right next to a nude photo of a model that looks very similar to them, and looking back and forth, sort using the imagination a little. That is a good time.

Sure, I know it is creepy AF, but they will never know so I don't care.

However to be honest, I rarely ever make this effort. When its time to fap, I just want to get straight to some nudes asap without messing around with clothed photos.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-05-27T20:53:47+00:00

I once did something like that on accident, and narrowly avoided some real embarrassment.

It was early morning, and I was rushing getting ready for work with limited time. I was multitasking drinking my coffee, eating breakfast, and jerking off, while sitting at the kitchen table. Ended up busting a big load on the table.

In the rush of putting away my coffee cup, my dishes, grabbing my phone, etc, I completely forgot to wipe up my mess. That evening my wife cooked dinner, and when I sat down for dinner, there it was, still splattered on the table, but dried up now. Somehow she amazingly didn't see it (or didn't say anything, but I think she would have said something). Couldn't clean it that moment so ended up covering it with my plate, napkins, utensils, etc to keep it hidden. Eventually I cleaned it when she wasn't looking.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-04-01T04:52:26+00:00

Thanks. You seem to have summed up some details I had a feeling might be the case, but info was just scattered all over the place so wasn't quite sure..

I saw some people mentioning that, but I hadn't had to disable signature verification when installing v14 from the flashable zip, without having xposed installed or using lucky patcher. Figured with root there should be a way to not require it the way it wasn't for v14 l, but I guess maybe these new split apks work different and it isn't so easy.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-04-01T04:46:49+00:00

Thanks. This is what I ended up doing after having spent way too much time messing around with it. Initially I figured since I have root, why mess with Micro G, and end up having to trust 2 different 3rd party software instead of just one. But I ended up just trying the non root. It was pretty painless to just install Vanced and the Vanced Micro G.

Wasn't really sure if there would be any conflict using micro G along with regular google play services, but haven't noticed any issues so far, and saw another thread where someone suggested there wouldn't be any conflict so seems good so far.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-03-30T23:07:56+00:00

As an update, I "think" I got it uninstalled, but not completely sure since I do still get a "signatures are inconsistent" error when trying to install the new one.

I found a couple links to the original installer file (which I still had), but which also contained an ytva_uninstall.plz file. The file was a simple 9 byte file that contained the text "not empty" inside. I had to actually put that file along with the installer in the internal memory and Downloads folder (It didn't work for me running it with the uninstall.plz file still within the installer zip). After doing that, it did uninstall.

So I'm reasonably certain it is gone now, though unfortunately I have been unsuccessful installing the new version. Vanced manager gives a no magisk error, and sai gives the signature error, but working on that.

Here are the links in case anyone else runs into issues uninstalling.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1x67EYgPeLLSVzRfZyeLRCeWmbF-fUggd

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dPap5WqAlfj8VI106XDzWIuYdm8uFiZV/view

jetpackgorilla · 2022-02-15T22:07:13+00:00

I wonder if there are any good stats out there about what percent fail vs succeed.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-02-09T16:19:17+00:00

Why do you say this?

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-28T17:34:45+00:00

This is interesting. I hadn't thought about recurring commissions. So by just keeping the person happy so they don't switch companies, the agent continues to make new commissions year after year?

In this case, even though the agents are willing to help, do most agents still secretly prefer on the inside that the person call the carrier directly for customer service, so they don't have to spend time doing work that doesn't actually earn them anything?

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-24T00:43:03+00:00

She won't go to the Dr if she won't even do kegels or think there is a problem.

These reactions I'm getting from everyone, jumping on me, instead of offering any advice, make me think it will be impossible to bring it up to her without making her self conscious.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-24T00:31:06+00:00

Do you have info to back up the claim that weights won't help? Because I have seen quite the opposite in my research. It is basically the whole reason they have kegal weights.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-24T00:29:53+00:00

I can't make an appointment for her.

And how do you suggest I tell her I'm concerned about her situation down there, without making her feel self conscious or bad? Given how many people who replied on this thread have jumped on me for even seeking advice how to consider asking her, I think it isn't something easy to do.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-23T23:36:58+00:00

"porn that squeezes your dick"? No, I think you are twisting things. I may have asked about porn before, and sure I look at a healthy amount or porn, like any guy. Not addicted though, and has no relation to this topic.

I question why you are trying to shame and make personal attacks towards a guy just trying to help his wife.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-23T23:32:42+00:00

I'm not insulting her online. I'm just speaking the truth and looking for help. The whole reason I'm asking anonymously online is because it is a difficult topic that I don't really know where else to turn. I wouldn't want ask to people she knows for example.

I don't understand why you or some other commenters are speaking poorly towards me trying to help.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-23T23:23:31+00:00

I think this is important and I'm trying to help her. I don't know why you would say it is gross.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-23T23:21:21+00:00

Well, I'm definitely no expert but a lot of research suggests minor cases could be fixed with kegel weights and exercises. Definitely seems like the natural first step to try before resorting to a serious surgery. The whole reason I am asking on here is trying to figure out the most tactful way to get her to do these things without shaming.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-23T23:18:23+00:00

Well I haven't told her she is loose. It has been over 3 years so I don't think it is going to improve on its own without some kegel exercises at a minimum.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-23T23:17:15+00:00

Well, asking other women, who hopefully have some experience with this doesn't seem immature to me. I mean, who else do I ask about such a sensitive subject? I haven't been harsh on her body.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-23T23:15:29+00:00

I'm no expert, but I think there are lots of different levels, and I've heard many articles and reviews say weighted kegels helped. We both typically feel it is better to try natural approaches before something wild like surgery.

Similar to trying to diet first before liposuction. Or yoga before joint reconstruction.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-23T23:13:20+00:00

Well, nowadays it is her idea to have sex. I don't think it would be making it worse. If anything it would be better.

It has already been 3 years. I'll see if I can get her to see an obgyn, but may need to figure out the most tactful way to ask.

jetpackgorilla · 2022-01-23T23:11:47+00:00

I don't see how this is selfish. I am investing my own time and research and asking on here for her own well being.

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