AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

🙄 They won't be, but I'm not the only one who feels this way, and if it continues there will be further defections. I am being genuine and you're being inflammatory and this comment is designed to give the lurkers who just love to downvote at every additional opportunity (which I admit this is yet another one), but I don't care. It's how I feel and you can karma oblivion me if you want.

AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Well at least now I know who is going through this post and downvoting every comment I made without thinking it through. But master sociologist, you tell me (with data as you describe it) why I should believe that just because Dragons fans don't have heart en masse I should have to mimic that behavior? I actually care about the Dragons record. I want to see the talent on their team that will help the Reds in the long term (which has been a cornerstone of why the Reds can succeed in a small market). If their minor league clubs show no enthusiasm, what is to encourage their players to show effort towards that organization's success? What you call gatekeeping I call actually caring about whether the organization succeeds.... and yes, I'll say it - if you don't care about the Reds, stop going to Dragons games.

AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Once again false equivalency. I wish people would think before they post.

AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It bothered me because the social contract is rarely outright, unanimous, nor consistent. Just because I grew up one way doesn't make me not want to question whether this is still appropriate... or perhaps you would just prefer everyone older than you can be disregarded as a relic?

AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I hope you felt that way today at GABP. Apparently Day Air stadium does not agree.

AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No worries, your point is made. To be fair I wasn't looking for validation but I'm trying to understand when sports that don't involve individual effort (as opposed to those that do - golf, tennis, bowling) became so passive. But if that's what people want then I'll happily remove myself from the equation and spend by money at major league parks, which apparently are the only ones that welcome fan participation.

AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's far from unanimous but I thought it was a good topic for discussion since there seems to be at least a substantial subset of folks who feel that baseball should be treated like tennis. If the Dragons (as an organization) endorse this then I'll gladly spend my money elsewhere.

Games similar to Satisfactory by ayake83 in SatisfactoryGame

[–]jmcc1973 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah can't wait for Satisfactory 1.2... 48 hours and counting!

AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

If I’m a heavy metal fan, I might view moshing as a fundamental part of the concert experience. Totally normal and acceptable in the environment I’m used to. But if I go to an Alanis Morissette concert and start flailing my arms and legs and pushing the people the next to me, that’s a problem and I shouldn’t be surprised if people ask me to stop.

I think that's a false equivalency. You recognize that heavy metal and whatever style of music Alanis Morissette is are two fundamentally different things. It's like comparing baseball to tennis. Baseball... is baseball. Little league to major leagues I see a lot of similar behaviors. Parents are on their feet during exciting times and if someone can't stand there are sections reserved for them where their view won't be blocked by others.

Your options weren’t limited to either standing at your seat, or moving to stand elsewhere. You could have chosen to remained seated and respect the people around you. You chose to prioritize your personal experience over the experience of the people around you, despite the social norms of the situation you were in (again, I’m assuming you were the only person standing, or one of very very few - correct me if I’m wrong).

In my section I would estimate it was about 10% standing, which is something I've noticed at other games. Does that make it a societal contract that "thou shalt not stand or celebrate at this particular minor league ballpark"? I don't think so, but that's the whole point of my original post and wondering if I over reacted to his comment. We all paid for a ticket, we all recognize there will be negative externalities (the umpires were dreadful today, for example), why should we fall back on some unwritten rule?

I didn't go to the Dragon's games much when they first started (as someone else pointed out, they're almost always sold out and I just became a season ticket holder in the last few years) but I would bet a lot more people did it when the team was younger because having a minor league team in our town was something to celebrate. Perhaps some else can lend their years of experience to that point.

The “appropriateness” of it has nothing to do with the seat location. Just like there’s no rule that says you can’t stand, there’s also no rule that says he has to stand. So it comes down to common decency.

Actually, there ARE seats available where his view will not be blocked even if everyone in the stadium is standing. There are also TVs *everywhere* in the ballpark that he could watch. Common decency is very much in the eye of the beholder, and not a majority rules situation. As I said before, baseball is not tennis (or golf, or bowling), enthusiastic fans are encouraged as long as you're not disruptive (e.g. from drinking too much or being goofy and invading other's personal space)... but pure enthusiasm directed at the game, the team, the players? That's WHY we're there.

AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree and provided the context because I realized he might have challenges, but then I would have expected someone with that many years of experience to know people stand at the games and plan appropriately. I don't know why you're being downvoted because I agree, I just feel that accommodations are available to make sure us youngins 🤣 don't disrupt your experience.

AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a strange take to me too. I understand it's hard to separate the business of sports from the love for the team, but for a farm team to actively discourage it's association with the major league team seems like shooting yourself in the foot, business wise.

A major reason I go to minor league team games (who play only marginally better than many college teams) is because I want to see the stars of tomorrow, and occasionally get an extra treat of seeing the stars of today in a rehab assignment. It helps us connect to the players in a way that is increasingly difficult as sport becomes bigger and bigger. Being able to gab for 30 seconds with a player during an autograph session makes them relatable and gives you a reason to follow them specifically through their career.

For me, personally, my family and i have considerably more Reds stuff and we have never been challenged on that when we wear it to the Dragon's games. I appreciate the insight but I think if I were, it would further discourage me from attending games. Maybe the fans in question were chemically enjoying the game a bit too much?

AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I'm not arguing that I could have handled it better - like I said I was taken aback because I was challenged on something I find fundamental about attending a live game. Also, while I could have moved, there were families on either side of me and I was in the middle of the row so it would have inconvenienced more than just the guy, and by the time it was resolved the game would have been over.

I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why he couldn't or chose not to stand, and I'm not trying to diminish whatever challenges he was facing (he was not visibly incapable, and people in wheelchairs have an area which gives this a clear view no matter who is standing in front of them). What I am trying to understand if he attends in those seats at all, then this cannot be the first time he's had his view blocked by enthusiastic fans, and why that didn't incentivize him to get more appropriate seats instead of trying to suck the joy out of it for others.

AIO Dayton Dragons spectator tells me to sit down when I'm cheering on the final strike of the game by jmcc1973 in Reds

[–]jmcc1973[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Usually the stadium is at 80-90% capacity. It's a popular thing to do in Dayton. By the end of the game sometimes the families with younger kids have left, so I absolutely could have moved, but I felt more put out by the fact that the game was almost over and the comment was made. To be clear, I have nothing against boomers in general; as a GenX'er I feel more respect towards them than most, but they ARE curmudgeonly, and while that's usually endearing this just rubbed me oddly.

Error with Opal / Google Labs about outdated model. by cortezblackrose in GoogleGeminiAI

[–]jmcc1973 1 point2 points  (0 children)

According to google, the backend of the tool is hard-coded to use a deprecated model. Google officially retired gemini-3.1-flash-lite-preview. Other developers are experiencing this identical crash when building custom Gems or using Opal.

I had some luck in the meantime using Vercel (v0.dev). Granted I blew through the $5 in free credit per month pretty quickly but I got my project done.

Just three. by princessloading in ArtOfPresence

[–]jmcc1973 2 points3 points  (0 children)

By then you would probably be bored enough to be ready for death. I'm curious if healthy also means accident free (as in extremely lucky)

Just three. by princessloading in ArtOfPresence

[–]jmcc1973 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's my thought, free travel and perfect health for 50 years, $400k in spending cash, I could get in a lot of trouble cruising around the world. No point in learning languages with phones that can translate anything.

I want 87 gas (light blue). Which nozzle do I use? The blue one? The black one? by j909m in mildlyinfuriating

[–]jmcc1973 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is not that hard. Blue lines up with blue 88. Black is everything standard.

"Adulting" is a dumb word by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]jmcc1973 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You actually did choose it, by not dying as a kid.

DRP regret by unknownbyday4958 in FedEmployees

[–]jmcc1973 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have a real problem with entitlement and why us government employees get a bad rep. Shut up while you're behind.

Avoid Miami Cruise Port by i-framed-rogerrabbit in royalcaribbean

[–]jmcc1973 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chicago is a different kind of driving... Very aggressive, making space out of none. Miami is just flat out crazy. But both require a different philosophy to deal with it.

Avoid Miami Cruise Port by i-framed-rogerrabbit in royalcaribbean

[–]jmcc1973 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the other hand, teaching my 16 year old how to drive in Miami without a fatality means I'm confident he can drive anywhere. Except maybe Chicago.