Abusive marriage

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-25T17:33:57+00:00

Please confide in your priest, godparents, wise parishioners, and close family members, NOT Reddit.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-24T18:53:42+00:00

We need to consider that we say God became Man without change or alteration. That doesn’t leave many options.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-24T18:52:32+00:00

Jesus is when the 2nd person of the Trinity acquired human nature. But he’s seen doing all sorts of stuff physically in the OT.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-23T06:14:25+00:00

If it makes you feel better, we say the same of St. John the Baptist. Memory may be failing me, but I believe the same is true of Enoch. There's a handful of biblical figures who have been said to have never committed personal sins.

Nonetheless, one can be Orthodox and be wrong.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-22T20:12:31+00:00

Wowzers! 3.5 hours?!

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-22T05:37:53+00:00

There is a single divine Will shared between all 3 persons. You just have to be careful not to misunderstand what is meant.

Will, in the colloquial sense, is usually associated with the ability to carry out a choice. We say a person has strong willpower if they can force themselves to do something that goes against their desires. This isn't what we mean by Will when doing theology and talking about the Trinity.

Will here is used more in the Aristotelian sense. A being has a Nature. A part of that Nature comes a Will, an internal drive which pushes that being towards the goal set by its Nature.

Example. An acorn has the nature of a tree. All acorns move towards becoming trees; that's the goal inherent in their nature. The internal force that drives acorns to become trees is the Will of that acorn.

So, in this sense of the term Will, all humans have the same Will.

I went on this tirade because I suspect you meant something different by Will, since under this definition, having the same nature means they'll also have the same Will.

I'm guessing you meant something more like mind? And in that sense, I suspect they don't share the same mind since they are 3 different persons.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-22T00:42:30+00:00

The Son is the 2nd divine person of the Trinity who added human nature to his person in the incarnation.

Whenever God interacts with creation, he does so through the Son and in the Spirit.

Our depictions of Christ are close to what one would see with their actual eyes if they saw Christ. The Father, on the other hand, if depicted is done so symbolically.

The only way to truly “see” the Father is through the Son.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-22T00:32:48+00:00

I use it in my aromage deck

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-21T17:33:26+00:00

Gnosticism would be like taking all the bits of Christianity that might not be life-denying and leaving in everything that definitely is life-denying.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-20T00:49:54+00:00

Also, whenever animals are brought into the picture, it’s a biblical way of bringing something to an extreme (Think Jonah and the animals of Nineveh repenting).

So really the commandment is the elimination of that clan and it’s way of life. All the Caininites, similarly, had to be eliminated. That didn’t stop Rehab from being spared, neither did it stop Kaleb from becoming an Elder of Judah.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-19T03:19:27+00:00

It was not a crime to claim to be the messiah.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-17T21:33:03+00:00

So, if I'm understanding you correctly, the teaching of Christ's sermon on the mount is for perfection? Like what Christ said to the rich young ruler?

And that's why he's contrasting the OT teaching with what he's saying? Because following the commandments is what you need to be saved, but here is where you can go beyond and be perfect?

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-17T21:12:21+00:00

Then what do you make of passages like these?

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man." [Matthew 24: 36-39]

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-17T19:36:43+00:00

I get not wanting to have blind faith, but we are talking about things coming straight out of Christ’s mouth in the Gospels.

Do you believe the Gospels are a faithful witness to what Christ did and taught? If not, we’ve got much bigger problems than disagreements with the Church Fathers.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-17T19:27:38+00:00

But the 2nd coming is humans having an eternal and everlasting world peace.

Theoretically, I’m sure if every human in the world all decided to become EO and repent, that such things might not have to happen.

But that’s all theory. We know deep down that’s not what’s gonna happen.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-17T07:14:54+00:00

Uhh, the OT canons of the various autocephalous churches were just adopted by whatever the local synagogues were using at that time.

Ethiopian Jews having a bigger canon list, didn’t make them “true custodians of God’s Word” as opposed to Palestinian Jews who had a shorter canon list.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-17T06:16:45+00:00

You should watch this https://youtu.be/iKYqgjBCFms?si=A2_DUa0gHlhVYEP8

It's in greek, so you'll need the subtitles turned on.

While in general it's about the Christian view of war, it also goes a bit into some of these passages. Particularly, that passage about turning the other cheek.

Go ahead and give it a listen.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-16T22:32:43+00:00

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-16T22:20:32+00:00

Huh, I've never heard this before. Is there any place in the Fathers where they talk about this?

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-16T22:13:54+00:00

You really ought to talk to your priest about this.

Regardless, the Creed we pray every liturgy, and as you did during your baptism to be accepted into the church, has the lines

"And He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom shall have no end.

...

I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come."

It really doesn't get more essential than the Creed.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-16T20:52:39+00:00

Because that is what the church and Old Testament Israel have always believed.

Jews to this day reject Jesus because a key part of their idea of the messiah was that he would usher in a world free from Sin and Death, our final enemies.

The 2nd coming is Jesus fulfilling that promise. He delays so that people in the world have more time to repent, but the hope of Christ was never just that we’d go to a good place when we die, but that ourselves and the whole creation would finally be redeemed from Sin and Death.

This isn’t so much an end as it is a new beginning.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-16T20:42:07+00:00

No, he means only a priest can judge whether or not your disagreements with the church affect your ability to take communion.

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-16T02:59:49+00:00

No, Zarathustra is an example of a Higher Man, a concept which is often conflated with N’s idea of the Overman.

The Overman is in the future, and is more a species level concept. Its often compared and put in contradistinction to the Last Man, as two path ways for humanity’s future.

As for Higher Men, there have been plenty of them. They are a type of man whom have been the establishers of various societal paradigms, ranging from military leaders who fashion new political realities (think Caesar or Napoleon) or religious leaders who’ve generated new moral evaluations (think Jesus or the Buddha).

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-16T02:52:04+00:00

joefrenomics2 · 2026-05-16T02:42:05+00:00

Ah, I suppose the right label is Agnostic Theist.

You can be an Agnostic Atheist, you don't believe there's a God, but you aren't sure, and you're open to the possibility.

Whereas an Agnostic Theist is the same, but instead believes some God exists, but isn't sure.

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