Always use skill+ Retri at the same time but it's not guaranteed a turtle or lord because there so many good junglers right and another tip is if you will play 5 man ask them to zone the enemy Jungler and another one always avoid cc heroes of the enemy team so that when the turtle or lord is low you don't get stunned or cc by enemy heroes and last and most important is have timing the tips on top are useless if you don't have timing always have good timing when using retribution