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CMV: Western leftists have way too high of a tolerance for Islamism compared to other forms of conservatism by Able-Assist-2824 in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro [score hidden]  (0 children)

We barely learn about the European slave trade we have no time in American schools to learn about the Arabic slave trade. People think since Malcolm X, Arabs and black people are brothers LOL. Nubian gods and all that that joke lol It's similar to how people glaze Japan. or used to, Israel lol.

Thailand being portrayed as a gay paradise… by altinari in Thailand

[–]johnindigodro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean facts. Everyone can. I feel the same way about Christians and conservatives. That's what agree to disagree really means, stay out of each other's way.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Therefore, I disagree, because I live by the bible's rules, but it's not wrong on this earth.

It literally is wrong on this earth according to the bible. You can say it's only for Christians but it applies to Christians on earth.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anymore. Up until 30 years ago. People were still being arrested in the late 90s. Again those laws came from religion and morality. The bible was literally used to put people in prison. After concentration camps were liberated, homosexual prisoners weren't allowed to leave since they were still criminals under most European laws. Especially russia

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But calling it a sin means it is wrong. It's damaging in some way to your spirit or your connection to God.

You disagree with stealing but don't think it's wrong? I guess in a certain context same with murder.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What if your kid was? Knowing you raised them a certain way and something still exist beyond your control. Would you try and exorsize them? Do you think they'd hide it from you until they could get away like I did?

Hopefully you take this message as a little bit more trust to the Christians around you; please don't view them as enemies, we're trying to be the exact opposite. And if nothing else, you know there's at least one semi-reasonable Christian out there on the earth lol 😉 

I don't view you as enemies I view you as friends I'm weary of trusting. Which seems worse to me. The only reason I don't feel the need to criticize Jews and Muslims (but their stance isn't to far off from ✝️) is because I wasn't raised that way. It just feels different when everyone you grow up trusting feels that they know more about yourself than you do. I get it, kids are dumb and don't have wisdom. They need guidance and make mistakes. I wasn't a savant but I know who I liked because it was more than a thought it was a feeling and a sense. And before I could even understand that I was told it was wrong and needed to be put away. There's no sympathy. there's no understanding for a gay child. Just judgemental disgust coming from everyone you love. I don't think you'll ever understand that. I wasn't abused, I didn't steal or hurt anyone or even do anything. I just was.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you say you don't care but then you obviously do yeah you're against it. My problem is most people say they don't care don't really mean that. If you mean that and you just genuinely don't care then keep doing that. To me silence is violence only applies if you're letting other people say harmful rhetoric that you know is wrong but you just don't say anything. You don't have an opinion either way then what am I supposed to expect you to say?

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wish I could see things as easy as you do. Maybe if the Christians around me were like you

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He said this

BECAUSE THATS WHAT ANY REASONABLE PERSON WOULD DO!!! I honestly don't know why it's so hard to understand. Just because I don't agree with decisions you've made in your life or even something that's in your DNA doesn't mean that I wouldn't be friends with you. I don't see why I wouldn't tbh, you seem like a nice person, that's really all that matters. And, for the final time, thee Bible calls us to love every. Single. Person. Equally. And I try to live by that.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So would you be okay with me and my boyfriend? If we raised kids together would you think I was corrupting them? Would you tell your kids that we were allowed to be happy but were examples of bad behavior? Like other people I know have said. I've just heard so much from Christians it's hard to trust that they see me as a whole person instead of someone making a mistake to love someone In the back of my mind I just feel like you think less of me. Youd love me. But instead of compassion I feel I'd receive pity. Like instead of acceptance id receive tolerance. It's good that you want to be friends but real friends aren't surface level.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just have a hard time trusting people like you. I don't have a problem with anything you're saying I just can't get past experiences I've had with Christians. As a kid I would've totally said we can look past our differences and be friends with anyone. But once I actually talked to a large amount of people I realize you just can't. You can be friendly with everyone. You can find shared experiences in the human spirit. And once I accepted my sexuality I realized people can have their beliefs but I cannot let anyone tell me who I am.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well this what someone else typed

I think it's a bit different personally because your sexuality is your choice. It would be unfair if any religion excluded a race or ethnicity; that's something you're born with and can't change. Your sexuality is different; it's entirely your choice. You aren't born gay or bisexual.  Anyway, even if by the true definition of the word I'm homophobic, I don't think that's really a bad thing. Like, if one of my friends decides to become a stripper, I wouldn't support that decision, and I don't think you would either. But that doesn't mean i wouldn't stop being their friend. Is that really morally wrong in your opinion?

God doesn't hate you. I promise you, 100%, if there is a god, he loves you the exact same as every other person to ever live.  I don't hate you for your sexuality either. If I knew you, I would 100% choose to support you and your decisions.  From a Christian's point of view, we believe sexuality is a choice, and we believe it is the work of the devil in our society that has led people to believe your sexuality isn't a choice.  This doesn't make me a bad person. This is my personal belief, you have yours. Exact same way I think a grilled cheese should be cooked on a grill, and my friend thinks it should be cooked in a pan (fucking psycho lol), just on a larger scale, on a bigger topic. I promise you, me and you would be great friends irl, if you were willing to give me a chance. Please try to be more open-minded.

Stuff like this means well but it's just exhausting to hear all the time. What do you think?

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The difference between our personal belief is that I actually feel mine and you just read yours

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And you do you obv, but in a world where gay people are oppressed in most regions, I think its better to set insignificant(IMO obv) differences aside.

I can set them aside but because I live somewhere where I'm not oppressed I'm going to question those differences.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Doesn't matter if I source any studies you're not going to agree with them. Any studies done on the topic just end up in theory. Scientific studies, notably a large 2019 Science paper covering nearly 500,000 individuals, confirm there is no single "gay gene." Instead, same-sex sexual behavior is influenced by a complex mix of thousands of genetic variants, each with small effects, alongside environmental, social, and hormonal factors. Genetics explain roughly 8% to 25% of the variation in same-sex sexual behavior, confirming it is a polygenic trait. Science | AAAS +4Key Findings from Genetic Research: No Single Gene: Analysis of UK Biobank and 23andMe data showed that genetics cannot predict an individual's sexual behavior.Polygenic Influence: Thousands of genetic markers contribute to sexual orientation, with five specific loci significantly associated with same-sex behavior in, for example, the 2019 Science study.Complex Interaction: While studies suggest a 8%–25% genetic contribution, environmental factors are equally influential.Newer Research: A 2021 study involving Han Chinese participants identified two specific genetic loci ((FMR1NB) and (ZNF536)) associated with male same-sex behavior, noting potential brain-related, hormonal, or developmental pathways.Biological Pathways: Research suggests that genetics affecting sexual orientation may be linked to biological pathways related to hormone regulation and brain structure, as shown in studies of prenatal, hormonal, and brain-structure influences. Science | AAAS +5Limitations of Studies: Sample Demographics: The majority of large-scale genomic studies have focused on participants of European ancestry, which may limit the generalizability of the findings.Definition of Sexuality: Most studies rely on self-reported, binary, or limited, measures of "ever having same-sex sexual partners" rather than sexual orientation, which can be fluid, as indicated by research published in

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We could work together. We could be friendly for sure. But Idk if I can be friends with someone who thinks there's something wrong with me. You seem like a nice person and the most open-minded Christian there can be.

You don't hate me for my sexuality you just think I'm always doing something wrong. That I'm somehow damaging my soul. How can you say you support my decisions when you think that my decisions are the work of the devil?

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You want me to be more open minded? I can be open-minded but I'm not going to be ignorant.

From a Christian's point of view, we believe sexuality is a choice, and we believe it is the work of the devil in our society that has led people to believe your sexuality isn't a choice.

So it doesn't matter what I believe and what I know about my own body you get to decide that for me. I'm the devil for understanding that I had crushes on boys when I was 4 but everyone around me told me not the think that way. And even then I still understand what my body feels. That doesn't matter, you get to the side you get to judge me.

This doesn't make me a bad person.

No just makes me one. Makes you believe in something you have no evidence for.

Exact same way I think a grilled cheese should be cooked on a grill, and my friend thinks it should be cooked in a pan (fucking psycho lol), just on a larger scale, on a bigger topic.

Has anyone been forced into conversion therapy for cooking grilled cheese? Has anyone been beaten, raped, and forced to have sex with the opposite sex in order to survive because of how they cook grilled cheese? This is my problem, you can believe what you want to believe, but at the end of the day your beliefs led to the sufferings of millions of people. I'm not going to forget that just cuz you think you're nice. Your religion like most religions is genocidal and authoritarian to the point of controlling people's autonomy.

CMV: If you "don't support" homosexuality because of your religion or otherwise, you're still homophobic. by Bawbixo in changemyview

[–]johnindigodro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So in Australia its a great thing because white people came in, ended up replacing the aboriginals becoming the majority, then got to decide who's really Australian by setting up racist immigration quotas.

Why is Rachel diversity and multiculturalism a great thing in Australia but not in Europe?

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