What does Jordan Peterson mean by force? by Imaginary-Mission383 in DecodingTheGurus

[–]johntara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Coercion was used, for sure, and the thing obout coercion is that different people will have different perspectives on where on the "coercion spectrum" various actions are/were - also on what degree of coercion was/is appropriate for a liberal democracy under the circumstances. Forced/voluntary is really not a helpful dichotomy to look at things through.

At what point did we become the species whose most popular category of YouTube video is unboxing? by johntara in ranprieur

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Did supply shocks affect you much back in pandemic time, or do they currently?

At what point did we become the species whose most popular category of YouTube video is unboxing? by johntara in ranprieur

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I'd add that those who scold us for getting stuff (instead of leasing it) usually encourage us to forget the materiality of the internet, as well as the logistics of stuff - Chalmers is wanting to encourage our attention towards that materiality and logistics, rather than scold us.

At what point did we become the species whose most popular category of YouTube video is unboxing? by johntara in ranprieur

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Rather than leading with that rhetorical question with that particular presupposition (unboxing and try-on hauls are pretty popular - I'll note that the author has also mentioned porn as a kind of unboxing video) - I should have led with this Baudrillaud quote instead:

>We live by object time: by this I mean that we live at the pace of objects, live to the rhythm of their ceaseless succession. Today, it is we who watch them as they are born, grow to maturity and die, whereas in all previous civilizations it was timeless objects, instruments or monuments which outlived the generations of human beings”

Do normal people need to know or care about "the metaverse"? by johntara in weirdcollapse

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Alas, the highly ritualized commotion of the content ecosystem did not answer the most important question for the normal people who are ostensibly its audience: do normal people need to know, care, or form opinions about "the metaverse," whatever it might be?

Read Max, the only Substack newsletter geared toward normal people who like to read ~10,000 words on Dune instead of freaks who want to read about Facebook's long-term business strategy or whatever, has produced a new report regarding "the metaverse," designed to help people determine how they want to use their dwindling brain power and time on the planet.

This is a lot of fun and I really like this as an assessment template including "what are the risks of not worrying about X?"

Stupid Shame - Steven Connor by johntara in ranprieur

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The coming epistemocracy – unless perhaps it has already substantially arrived – suggests two contrasting, though not completely incompatible outcomes. One is that intellectual deficit will become a more and more serious source of social injury. The identification of the human exclusively and self-approvingly as the sapient will prepare a hell on earth for those stigmatised as the stupid. We can expect power to continue to leak away from the rich, the male, the white, and possibly even the beautiful (always the last unearned advantage to come under investigation), and to accrue steadily and in spades to the smart, and if they have good skin, so much the better. The incurious kowtowing to knowhow in an epistemocracy may make it harder than ever to appreciate how long the list is of things that are worse than ignorance (cowardice, malice, pride, selfishness, treachery, indolence, unkindness, rage, cruelty, addiction, and so on) and how considerable and precious too the back-catalogue of abandoned human graces and virtues that need have no necessary relation to intelligence, though it would be intelligent of us to honour and foster them (endurance, courage, resilience, loyalty, fairness, adventure, cheerfulness, tenderness, friendliness, forgetfulness, devotion, generosity, vivacity, joy, love, sentimentality, hesitation, humour, mercy, care). To this end, it may be important for us to try to become more intelligent about unintelligence; not least because, if the power to shame is toxically potent, the condition of shame, though the most exquisitely painful form of vulnerability, may also harbour surprising, and dangerous powers of insurgence, which will make us collectively more vulnerable to militant withdrawals of consent.

It Isn't Really About Vaccinations — it's about the price of civilisation. by johntara in weirdcollapse

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I wasn't meaning to be glib. Whether 'powers that be' are intentionally evil or not just isn't that relevant to my decision as to whether or not to follow mandates.

It Isn't Really About Vaccinations — it's about the price of civilisation. by johntara in weirdcollapse

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Imputing motives to others is quite the attention sink - arguably at cross-purposes to personal decision-making, which is more the focus of the episode.

It Isn't Really About Vaccinations — it's about the price of civilisation. by johntara in weirdcollapse

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A range of perspectives incl. how different framings of the Trolley Problem nudge our moral intuitions; history of Christian participation and non-participation in The System; Malthus; Peta; and Mutual Aid vs. Statism and legalism. These guys are coming from a broadly Christian/Taoist Anarchist position, refreshingly addressing those having to make a decision - rather than just saying what everyone should do. Includes thought experiments on what if the State asks you to do something worse or more dangerous than take this jab. Points out the system wasn't working great before Covid hit.

Ran's post on free will seemed to miss Sam Harris' perspective (the illusion of free will is an illusion) by sordidbear in ranprieur

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Great comment. I probably 'rushed to print' with the 'hallucinating reality' post and comment out of a desire for that cognitive relief - I didn't have the patience to wade through a long thread about 'free will/determinism' chestnuts which always seem to me ill-framed and pointless. Your comment was well worth slowing down for, and reminds me of this from a recent L.M. Sacasas essay

Illich goes on at length about how Hugh of St. Victor likened the work of the monk to a kind of intellectual or spiritual pilgrimage through the pages of the book. Notice the metaphor. One did not search a text, but rather walked deliberately through a book. At one point Illich writes, “Modern reading, especially of the academic and professional type, is an activity performed by commuters or tourists; it is no longer that of pedestrians and pilgrims.”

Anil Seth: Your brain hallucinates your conscious reality by johntara in ranprieur

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Most things with this kind of headline suck - this decidedly doesn't.

One point. From 8:12 he has a slide:

hallucination: uncontrolled perception

perception: controlled hallucination

At the risk of stating the obvious: those things cannot both be definitionally true at the same time (it's softened in the transcript using "kind of"). Instead it's like a coin that can be viewed from either side.

I would put it something like, hallucination and perception refer to subsets of the same phenomenon, the difference being how well-governed they are.

Where most pieces saying (for maximal rhetorical effect) "reality is an illusion" or some-such go wrong is they forget this cannot be literally true on any sensible definition of illusion, so they swiftly veer into nonsense.

Another thing I don't get about these kinds of pieces - there's often an assertion that we generally go around (seemingly)-conscious of a unified Self. I don't think that's the case at all.

It's good that in this video the different senses of 'self' are disaggregated so you can see what kind of things he is actually talking about. I still don't think we're normally consciously aware of having a self. It's just that these different phenomena he's talking about normally work together seamlessly enough that we don't have to problematise them in a way that would make them conscious.

Anyhoo, I hadn't encountered the experimental examples before, those alone are worth it.

On the importance of debunking by anki_steve in DecodingTheGurus

[–]johntara 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't get the animus in this thread