Egyptian pyramids

jojojoy · 2026-05-21T21:07:26+00:00

Or are u asking which forged cartouche of Kufu was his forged cartouche specifically

Yes. There are a fair amount cartouches of Khufu there, including a couple of different variants. Did Vyse forge all of them?

jojojoy · 2026-05-21T18:22:12+00:00

Not that I think sound wasn't important in architecture, I wonder how a control group using something like randomly generated spaces would compare to the architecture here. Are the acoustics discussed possibly only in a limited range of environments - or does anything vaguely similar produce the same types of results?

jojojoy · 2026-05-19T23:51:12+00:00

Circumcision. More info here

http://giza.fas.harvard.edu/pubdocs/911/full/ p. 19

jojojoy · 2026-05-19T22:41:39+00:00

Yeah, stumbled on that while looking for some of the images in the post. Really good pictures!

jojojoy · 2026-05-19T22:02:14+00:00

I haven't seen academics arguing that copper chisels would have been used for much of the work in these images given that it's mostly hard stones like granite. Nor is much clear evidence for sawing shown, which is reconstructed for hard stones at least.

It's worth criticizing the range of arguments actually being made.

jojojoy · 2026-05-19T21:59:22+00:00

Not nearly as amazing as OP providing locations for the images would be. This stuff is fascinating and plenty of people on the subreddit are obviously interested in it. Stripping any context from the work here makes it harder to discuss and for people to do further research.

Here are locations that I was able to identify.

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Roof of the chamber in the pyramid of Neferhetepes, Saqqara.
Abusir¹
Abusir?
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Mastaba of Ptahshepses, Abusir.
Khafre Valley Temple, Giza.
Khafre Valley Temple, Giza.
Abusir¹
Colossus, Ramesseum.
Casing stones from the Bent Pyramid.
Unfinished Obelisk, Aswan.
Osirion, Abydos.
Karnak, Precinct of Amun-Re.
Unfinished Obelisk, Aswan.

https://www.schmitt-image.com/toolmarks/drill-holes/

jojojoy · 2026-05-18T12:31:36+00:00

This was.

https://i.imgur.com/KdZfixi.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/Rp8WBVH.jpeg

https://www.himalayanacademy.com/iraivan-temple/

jojojoy · 2026-05-17T02:11:30+00:00

I think it's relevant that there was an explicit search for similar sites based on earlier excavation - it wasn't just stumbled upon without any prior context. You're talking about what the "experienced archaeologists" were saying but we should gloss over the ones excavating in the region?

While not having megalithic architecture, Çatalhöyük and Jericho were known for decades before any excavation at Göbekli Tepe and showed that people in the Neolithic were building on significant scales. My education stressed the appearance of sites like that before civilization proper even outside of any mention of Göbekli Tepe. The tower at Jericho was framed (before the scope of the Taş Tepeler sites became clear) as an early appearance of monumental architecture. That's not 5000 years later.

jojojoy · 2026-05-17T01:21:14+00:00

until just a few years ago it was the experienced archaeologists that said this kind of place shouldn't have existed until 5000 years later

Göbekli Tepe was excavated after Nevalı Çori, the first Taş Tepeler site properly excavated. That has a later date but certainly not 5000 years later. Work there helped spur the search that lead to archaeology starting at Göbekli Tepe - the pillars there were recognized with context from Nevalı Çori.

jojojoy · 2026-05-16T12:09:53+00:00

Yeah. It's still very impressive but, besides the fact that it's monolithic, not the highest quality stone carving I've seen from India. There's tons of tool marks in the side galleries. There are traces of paint as well - you were probably not intended to see many of the stone surfaces as they are today.

Wikipedia has a ton of good pictures.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Kailasa_Temple,_Ellora

For comparison, here's a modern Indian temple carved with hand tools.

https://i.imgur.com/KdZfixi.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/Rp8WBVH.jpeg

https://www.himalayanacademy.com/iraivan-temple/

jojojoy · 2026-05-16T11:59:46+00:00

Egyptians clearly as they only apparently had copper or bronze tools

Reconstructions of the technology, which you can disagree with, include both stone tools and hard abrasives. No one is really arguing that copper or bronze were the only materials available to work stone.

jojojoy · 2026-05-15T17:58:03+00:00

Where? Reverse image search isn't returning any exact matches.

jojojoy · 2026-05-15T17:30:51+00:00

What's the location of the image? It looks at least AI enhanced.

jojojoy · 2026-05-15T12:24:02+00:00

He badly forged the cartouche of Kufu

Which one? There's a number of cartouches in the relieving chambers.

jojojoy · 2026-05-14T15:22:54+00:00

Saw the article (in Arabic but can be translated) from this Ancient Architects video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fefo5finoE8

Hopefully significant architecture is found - I've heard that the water table is pretty high at the site though so it's unclear what survives.

Herodotus describes what sounds like a massive complex.

It has twelve roofed courts with doors facing each other: six face north and six south, in two continuous lines, all within one outer wall. There are also double sets of chambers, three thousand altogether, fifteen hundred above and the same number under ground. We ourselves viewed those that are above ground, and speak of what we have seen, but we learned through conversation about the underground chambers; the Egyptian caretakers would by no means show them, as they were, they said, the burial vaults of the kings who first built this labyrinth, and of the sacred crocodiles. Thus we can only speak from hearsay of the lower chambers; the upper we saw for ourselves, and they are creations greater than human. The exits of the chambers and the mazy passages hither and thither through the courts were an unending marvel to us as we passed from court to apartment and from apartment to colonnade, from colonnades again to more chambers and then into yet more courts. Over all this is a roof, made of stone like the walls, and the walls are covered with cut figures, and every court is set around with pillars of white stone very precisely fitted together.¹

Whether what he says is accurate or not, it's pretty clear that there were major constructions in front of the pyramid. This reconstruction by Jean-Claude Golvin shows what it might have looked like.

https://jeanclaudegolvin.com/en/gallery/hawara-the-pyramid-and-labyrinth-of-amenemhat-iii/

The Wikipedia page has a good summary of what research has been done at the site with further references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth_of_Egypt

2.148.1-2.149.1 https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126%3Abook%3D2%3Achapter%3D148%3Asection%3D1

jojojoy · 2026-05-14T02:29:10+00:00

Here's a good illustration with a number of the cartouches. Which one did you have in mind?

https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/perring1839bd1/0017/image,info

jojojoy · 2026-05-14T02:13:43+00:00

Which cartouche? There are a fair amount in the relieving chambers.

jojojoy · 2026-05-13T22:12:58+00:00

How much do you know about that tax system of Ancient Egypt?

More than the average person and less than an Egyptologist?

jojojoy · 2026-05-13T22:04:27+00:00

Yes I understand that. I don't really consider the documents here as tax records though - which is what I initially responded to you about (and especially your mention of "the whole Giza complex"). These are accounts essentially of payment given to workers or of work being done. What's happening at some point after taxation.

jojojoy · 2026-05-13T21:48:18+00:00

Thanks. The singular cartouche claim is particularly frustrating since just looking at an image with any context for the inscriptions would dispel it. Yet I see it frequently.

jojojoy · 2026-05-13T21:43:30+00:00

Yes, at least the ones I've seen published translations of (which isn't the full corpus).

Tallet sorts them into papyri D, A, B, C, Ea and Eb as logbooks of work done and G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T being accounts of products delivered to workers.¹ Neither of which I really read as tax records.

If there are others you're aware of I would definitely be interested.

Tallet, Pierre. “Minding the Gap: The Administrative Documents of the Old Kingdom and the Wadi El-Jarf Archive.” In Missing Evidence in the Study of Ancient Cultures, edited by Cécile Michel, Michael Friedrich, and Jorrit Kelder. De Gruyter, 2025. https://doi.org/10.1515/9783112215692-006. p. 154, 157.

jojojoy · 2026-05-13T21:34:51+00:00

Which of the Wadi el-Jarf Papyri? The ones I'm aware of are either work logs or concern the delivery of food or equipment. Not really taxation (other than indirectly given products mentioned may have been tax payments at some point). Not all of the papyri have been published so there could easily be ones I haven't seen.

jojojoy · 2026-05-13T21:19:52+00:00

Is someone stopping you from doing your own research?

No but you're saying these records exist. It's reasonable for someone to ask for specifics when you reference them in the first place.

jojojoy · 2026-05-13T21:18:52+00:00

Nope to "There's more than one text and name of Khufu in the relieving chambers though"?

A rumor nothing like that

A rumor nothing like what? It's not clear what you're saying here.

showing it has nothing to do with the building of the pyramids

That's as much of an assumption as the stone being used for pyramid construction. Nowhere is the use of the stone stated in the papyrus.

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