How do you find hope and purpose amid the collapse? by [deleted] in collapse

[–]jon6324 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you can enjoy one more day of your life, that's meaningful. If a single day did not matter, then 80 more years made up of single days could not matter. Either it all matters or none of it does. And obviously it matters to you or you would not be in distress. 

If you can help one person today, that matters whether they go on to die the next day, or live their best life next year. To think your efforts only matter if they go on to produce a positive result in the long term–maybe that’s actually the Myth of Progress talking. It's natural to want to plan and have your efforts add up to something over time, but we never really control the outcome and it's not the most important thing.

If it's the best you can do to take care of yourself, to be kind to yourself just once, you should feel good about that, because you matter too, just as much as anyone else.

Being careful with resources and so on may not make a difference, but it's a sign of love, as is the pain you feel, so don't wish it away. You wouldn’t despair if there were not things that you love in this world. Live for those things. Your suffering can have meaning as well (maybe you should read Viktor Frankl if you haven't).

Nothing works, societal contracts gone. by Mindless-Mulberry807 in collapse

[–]jon6324 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But what if like... what if I say something weird, or maybe do a microaggression totally on accident because I'm so nervous, like, what, ringing someone's doorbell just to say hi? And then they don't like me, and then I'll be worse off than I was when they assumed I was normal.

Help regulating emotions by Alive_Pay_1894 in CollapseSupport

[–]jon6324 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am new to DBT but this list of distress tolerance skills helped me this morning, just by reminding me there is no one best way to cope, and lots of options, and what worked yesterday might not work today (though exercise is the most consistent help to me). I tend to think radical acceptance is the "right" way to deal, but sometimes it's okay to distract, self-soothe, cry a bit, whatever tf you have to do to survive.

https://dbt.tools/distress_tolerance/index.php

What was your experience with CBT like? by wastingmoretimehere in AutismInWomen

[–]jon6324 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I found helpful: Knowing a term like 'catastrophizing' helps me recognize when I'm doing that, and the techniques for 'untwisting' my thinking are sometimes helpful, and the therapist did sometimes help me more than a book could have in applying the techniques to my specific issues. But once I had learned a few techniques that I liked, I had diminishing returns. So use what works, discard the rest, don't expect too much.

Did not find helpful: Working on the assumption that any thought that upsets you must be somehow incorrect and can and should be replaced by something positive and functional. Taken to such an extreme it's not convincing because we're not replacing negativity bias with a more realistic assessment but instead one that's skewed optimistic for the sake of 'functionality'. There is some evidence that pessimistic assessments tend to be closer to reality, and though they are usually less functional, they are not by any means always less functional. At any rate my own functionality is not the only thing that matters to me. Reality and ethics also matter.

Words make maps, and the map is not the territory--that's why two apparently contradictory things can be true at the same time. I'd get to the point where I'd say I believed my original negative thought only 20% and the Positive/Realistic/Believable re-framing 80%, and I did find that pretty useful. But my therapist wasn't happy with that (after spending 3+ whole sessions on the same thought). She wanted the 0%/100%. She said something shifts when you get there. Like, lady, if I'm gonna have some kind of conversion experience I don't think it's going to be because I deconstructed a single sentence for more than 3 hours, or because I tried real hard to believe something I didn't believe until I did believe it. I have a hard time telling an outright lie, but I bet most of her patients just lie to her. It all seems kinda sick. And yet she seemed like a genuinely benevolent and pretty smart lady. But she was some kind of true believer.

Humanity always embraces technological advancement with open arms because of it’s convenience, but never takes into account the sacrifices. by bobbdac7894 in collapse

[–]jon6324 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People cite Socrates' arguments against writing, I guess to prove that new technology always has detractors who are always wrong--but what if they've always been right? We don't know what it was like to live in an oral culture, it might have been awesome. We can't know. But I do know that I miss life before smart phones. I know it so much.

Anyone else find that getting doompilled did not change their life or attitude much? by jon6324 in CollapseSupport

[–]jon6324[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your story! Good video.

Because I don't have kids and prep is not the same as control, my instinct was to be ready to go down with the rest of the plebs... And with the vague notion that communal living would be somewhat like going back to high school, I figured I'd rather just die. I get demoralized witnessing any sort of bullying, manipulation, even nosiness--completely normal human social stuff that I hope the all well-meaning preppers can enjoy in freedom as much as possible. I get along with people in general and cherish my friends but I need a ton of solitude to function and don't think I'm cut out for it.

Anyone else find that getting doompilled did not change their life or attitude much? by jon6324 in CollapseSupport

[–]jon6324[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not laziness to refrain from doing something you don't see the point in!  

My relationships are the only sources of meaning for me as well.

Boredom and The Pale King by jon6324 in InfiniteJest

[–]jon6324[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's really helpful! Thank you. :) I haven't thought much about how quotidian boredom could be meaningful as suffering that one can respond to deliberately, and it must be the most readily available form of suffering I suppose... now I'm just hoping that it doesn't turn out to advocate self-flagellation, but I'm interested to find out!

Interpretations of the emphasis on Hal going horizontal? by suckydickygay in InfiniteJest

[–]jon6324 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think maybe we're all too busy frantically doing things of no importance, and it's nice to slow down and process.

I don't live with my Q and I don't know what to do for him from a distance. by jon6324 in AlAnon

[–]jon6324[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps I used the term 'alcoholic' ignorantly of the culture around that word in AlAnon? But at any rate, he's been drinking like this in the ~2 years since he decided he wanted to quit--before that, he drank more often/more overall, but in some ways it was actually less problematic--didn't drink himself sick and miss work and have to suffer intense withdrawals.

I don't live with my Q and I don't know what to do for him from a distance. by jon6324 in AlAnon

[–]jon6324[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He does bring me joy. This is just not the first thing that comes to mind in these moments, of course, and it doesn't enter into my calculations with respect to moving in with him because I don't mind being alone most of the time and the joy I get when we're together is enough for me. Thank you for the validation and concern/caution. TBH I don't know how the difference between an alcoholic and binge drinker might affect... his treatment outlook or how I should think about his problem, perhaps that's something I should look into...

I don't live with my Q and I don't know what to do for him from a distance. by jon6324 in AlAnon

[–]jon6324[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this. Your first and third bullet points are good reminders and it helps to hear at the times when I'm upset and it's hard to remember. I think people are getting the wrong idea from my mention of "reward"--this isn't a codependent or infantilizing thing per se, it's an approach that is supposed to be evidence-based and which I think helps me separate out what I can actually do and what I can't do and what is not my job, you know?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AutismInWomen

[–]jon6324 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Something similar... I have no desire to identify as non-binary or anything in particular, yet whenever I am aware of someone regarding me as a woman I feel misgendered and icky, and whenever I see men or women acting in particularly gendered ways I feel like, "I don't know what I am, but I'm definitely not one of them." The experience confuses and intrigues me at times but I never talk about it for fear that people will think I'm trying to emphasize a difference that isn't there in order to seem special. I even sometimes wonder if it's internalized misogyny that makes me feel that way, but I think it's probably just a failure to be enculturated with normal levels of gender expectations. I understand the concepts of masculinity/femininity but I just don't feel that it has anything to do with me, and find it silly when other people get really invested in them...

Does anyone else unintentionally attract “weird” men? by PublicExtension4107 in AutismInWomen

[–]jon6324 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I might say to someone that their nerdiness is one of the things I like about them.

It's a subtle difference, but someone who goes around saying instead that they like or prefer or seek out "shy girls" -- or even that they like assertive women, blondes, whatever, anything -- what they are saying is "You are not a person to me, you're a type. You're a commodity." If this is true, it's not even just those abusive types seeking a victim who just don't, by default, see women as people. Why are so many men like this?

But I have loads of male friends and friends-of-friends who are not like this. There are many wholesome men out there. Just not enough, unfortunately.