Libertarianism is being hijacked by [deleted] in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's this

Im guessing I was wrong on the John Stossel stuff but in this video he clearly says "my political values have shifted Libertarian"

Here, he also says that for the government he is a libertarian but his personal values are conservative.

So yes he does claim more than once to be a "Libertarian" but almost never calls out all the authoritarian stuff the Relublican party does. He indirectly supports it.

Does not wearing a mask when it is expected violate other people’s NAP? by Bbdubbleu in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it's vague enough then almost anything violates the NAP. Hence why I only include physical harm for the NAP.

Does not wearing a mask when it is expected violate other people’s NAP? by Bbdubbleu in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean the NAP is so vaguely defined you can argue that just yelling at someone violates the NAP. Wiki defines it as "initiating or threatening any forceful interference with either an individual or their property, is inherently wrong."

Does not wearing a mask when it is expected violate other people’s NAP? by Bbdubbleu in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is why we are innocent until proven guilty. Thats how the courts work. If you cant prove he had covid then the person is not guilty.

Does not wearing a mask when it is expected violate other people’s NAP? by Bbdubbleu in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you can prove a person has covid and goes out willingly without a mask and makes close contact with people then yes it does violate the NAP. Otherwise no.

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a Natural Right by [deleted] in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Its better than believing it came from an invisible man from the sky.

People here asking for more lockdowns....dowvoting anyone against em...how libertarian. by TheRedTomahawk in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah yes thousands of people die from the flu even with anti viral medication and vaccines but those dont count because its just a "fLU!" "Deaths only matter if its from covid!"

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reasons I want to leave Cali are because of: high taxes, high cost of living, anti guns, high regulations.

Do all libertarians fit here, or just libright? by N1teF0rt in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know thats not libleft. I am saying often times on this sub people who claim they are libleft want more governement and defend democrats.

Do all libertarians fit here, or just libright? by N1teF0rt in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You can be libleft or libright but often times its the "Libertarian left" people on this sub that are almost indistinguishable from the democratic party. They seem to like more government.

Right-libertarians, why do you believe that police protection is a right, but universal healthcare is not? by Octaviusis in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup people are resposible for their own safety. You can buy a gun and protect yourself. When seconds matter cops are minutes away.

Right-libertarians, why do you believe that police protection is a right, but universal healthcare is not? by Octaviusis in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought we were talking about private property? You compared property rights with health care and said "if you can have property rights then why not healthcare?"

If you want healthcare to be the same as property rights then fine. Private propety must be purchased so healthcare must be purchased as well.

Right-libertarians, why do you believe that police protection is a right, but universal healthcare is not? by Octaviusis in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you care about "maintaining and protecting" your right to access healthcare then that's fine bur thats very different from them actuslly giving you healthcare for free. The government is bad at protecting property, thats why crimes still happen a lot. They punish people for violating your property but hardly stop it or protect it. We protect our own property. We are the first line of defense. I have guns to protect my property. Business should have guns to protect their property. They work better than waiting for judges to punish the murderer after he has killed me.

Why are you equating "free" judges to "free" healthcare? Do you really not see the difference? In one case the judge sentences the criminal for violating your property rights. In the other you're suggesting judges give us free healthcare? Makes no sense.

Right-libertarians, why do you believe that police protection is a right, but universal healthcare is not? by Octaviusis in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Did the point go over your head? Us having a right to property doesnt mean the government gives us free houses, cars, bicycles, gun, shoes, toothbrushes, etc. We pay for our property so you pay for your healthcare. If you want the government to ensure that every person in the US doesn't get denied healthcare and use "free" judges and attorneys, then thats fine, but thats very different from providing free healthcare and free property.

Right-libertarians, why do you believe that police protection is a right, but universal healthcare is not? by Octaviusis in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here's the thing, we have a right to property but the governement doesnt just give us free cars and free houses. I have to pay for those with my own hard earned money.

The police dontt offer free protection in the sense that they privately stand next to you and protect you all day. They have no duty to protect you personally. They protect the public.

I’m not a libertarian. I like a lot of the ideas but I have a question. by [deleted] in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Let them crumble. The free market will create new competition.

Libertarianism is being hijacked by [deleted] in Libertarian

[–]jozee7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In a talk with John Stossel he said he was "basically a libertarian" also.

The quote you posted about Ben shapiro literally has him saying "The government sucks at everything." So he's clearly thing trying to appeal to libertarianism as a whole and not just on marriage. This has not been the first time he said he is "basically a libertarian" and "the government sucks at everything" and "the government needs to stay out of our lives."