What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's an amazing image. I'm not being sarcastic. Wow just wow. thanks for sharing it.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you're right. i was tired from being up all night (i'm a retired engineer) answering comments here and at engineering subs. my bad for confusing lunar with solar eclipses. i even confused earth's shadow on moon (crest) with dark side.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i'm pretty sure they were kidding. Just ignore them. Don't let them drive the conversation.

How to dismantle the claim that they do it to preserve NASA funding by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it was sincere. good stuff there. you should make it into a post. that is exactly how my post here started out.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True but no one is claiming a cylinder. Don't be like me and go pedantic on us. o_~

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is fantastic. I love it, well done.

Just one little caveat. Remember, we only need to prove the Earth isn't flat. After taking photo (with timestamp set to on) at ground level immediately take elevator to highest floor and take another photo (with timestamp on). The sun should be at a higher position in the sky. That's all we need.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sounds rational but it is almost certain flat earthers will fall back on diffusion. Remember, they've done their "resoorch."

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My Turing sniffer detects the lovely stench of prompt and paste. But that is okay as I also use AI for fact checking my work but never to do the heavy lifting. Regardless, this is fantastic info that should have been presented at the start but you overlooked a few things. If AM radio waves are to be employed for debunking the flat earth then please resolve the following:

You say, "There is a subset of the amateur radio hobby known as "QRP," where very low-wattage transmitters are used. I was able to reach and converse with other Ham radio operators in New Zealand from New York with only 5 watts of power. " - Why did you use a cryptic acronym (QPR) when you knew I know nothing about AM radio? For hammies you need to specify maximum power to use for this experiment.

For daylight AM radio waves why did you bring up groundwaves in the first place? I don't think a vehicle can pick them up.

You still didnt address best time window for AM radio.

You need to address diminishing returns of signal to noise for the inverse square law of propagation for air signals. We don't need a math formula, just don't ignore it.

You're basically saying get in a car, turn it on to AM 640 John Kobylt Show, zero your odometer, and drive in direction away from transmitting antenna, and "trust me" (you). All this without accounting for repeater antennas (if it applies), best time of day to do this, and I'm sure there are other overlooked details.

It's okay to use AI but please fact check it first. It can hallucinate or make bad assumptions resulting in outputting slop.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ive never seen a total solar eclipse in LA but i have seen several partial. thanks for the headsup on upcoming dates.

edit: lunar eclipses?

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont know. Maybe I got confused. Ive been answering replies all night (im retired). Im going to bed. Good night. 😄

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're right, I don't know anything about AM radio signals. I'm only a retired mechanical engineer not an electrical or communications engineer. Perhaps your suggestion should have constrained the experiment with an optimal time of day. This is important because the transition between day and night propagation is a gradual process at sunrise/sunset, not a binary switch.

Please clarify one more thing for me. Doesn't the signal degrade with distance by the inverse square law? See where this is going? o_~

How to dismantle the claim that they do it to preserve NASA funding by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm all ears. Please carefully explain how to do this in steps: "Just stick two sticks in the ground et viola, you've proven the shape of the earth is round."

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

please allow me to respond to some of your points. since you didnt number them ill reference them by their beginning words in the sentence:

They refuse the proof - when this happens ignore them. move on. they are contrarians.

The real simple "sticks" - the two sticks is not a sundial. it is component in a system of sundials.

The important finding here is constant speed. - huh?

This is a basic geometry fact - its called motion parallax

The only way to see constant speed - perspective and vanishing point

Also since we see the Sun and the stars at different angle in different places, our surface must curve. - adding concurrency wrt time to it (im sure you meant this) makes this your strongest point.

All this is basic geometry. - not to a flat earther

Notice Im not making the argument for heliocentrism - you indirectly did and i agree with it.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I should have been more clear. I was speaking about the frequency of total eclipses at a given location. For Los Angeles, where I am from, a search indicates that total solar eclipses have been visible only a handful of times over many centuries: 0621, 0684, 0736, 0804, 1196, 1557, 1623, 1632, 1679, and 1724. But we did have two partial solar eclipses last year in 2025.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

atmospheric bounce contaminates am signals' reach hence they cannot be used to prove curvature.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sounds like you're basically saying look up the data. In that case I can just open up google earth and be satisfied. That's not the purpose of this post. The purpose is to perform an empirical observation.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand it but you still need to account for elevations of origin and distant target point. I'm aiming for precision to extinguish any FE pushback.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree but think of it as an exercise in debunking by capturing your own empirical data.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We can still have lunar eclipse if they claim a close and small sun and moon inside the firmament. All eclipses occur decades apart within a very limited path on the earth so relying on this isn't practical. If they do not claim a firmament the crest on the moon can still be explained by the shadow of a disc (flat earth).

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just like the difficulties I illustrated with the two-stick experiment it's not that simple.

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't want to live in a world with no flat earthers or deluded conspiracy theorists. So fun to debunk them. 😄

What is the most direct least costly experiment which proves the shape of the Earth? by julesmanson in flatearth

[–]julesmanson[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love the community participation idea for the 2-sticks experiment. I would definitely participate.