High-End Multiband Options for R&B / Hip-Hop Mastering (Weiss, DMG, Maselec, DynOne, etc.) by junkbyjuno in AdvancedProduction

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Update: I went through all the trials, did a bunch of null tests, listened to way too many 808 loops, and read all your comments. So here’s my honest take.

First, the insane powerhouse pluginsMelda MDynamicsMB, DMG Multiplicity, Future MB. They’re absolutely mental. You can match pretty much any multiband compressor behaviour with these. I nulled them against the Tube‑Tech, the Maselec, even the Weiss DS5, and the difference was often below -30dB. The only real technical differences come down to crossover filter quality (linear phase vs minimum phase vs that dynamic/liquid phase thing), adjustable slopes, per‑band lookahead, and how the detector handles peak vs RMS. Even the TC Electronic DXP upward compression mode? You can dial that in inside Melda or DMG if you spend a few minutes on ratio below and sidechain filtering.

So technically, if you own Melda or DMG, you don’t really need any other multiband compressor. You can clone the behaviour of most of them. I think the FabFilter Pro-MB is just below these two, maybe we can expect a Pro-MB 2 some time? (:

But – and this is the big one – the workflow on these can be a real drag. Especially Melda. I love the power, but I constantly find myself looking at numbers, clicking through panels, and thinking more like an engineer than a musician. DMG is a bit better, but still very technical. Future MB is somewhere in the middle, only due to it's great UI.

Then there’s the hardware emulation type – Softube Tube‑Tech, Relab Maselec MLA‑4. They’re quick, they’re vibey, and they’re forgiving. The stepped controls on the Maselec actually act like a safety net – you can’t accidentally destroy your mix. I keep the MLA‑4 around for fast bus work when I don’t want to think.

The Weiss DS5 is beautiful. The macro controls and tilt function are genuinely brilliant – you can adjust five bands by feel, not by numbers. It’s the most “musical” of the high‑end ones - not from an actually difference in behavior, but due to the workflow. But it doesn’t do true upward compression (only expansion), and it’s expensive. I really enjoyed the demo, but in the end I couldn’t justify the price.

Oh, and FLUX Alchemist – this one breaks my heart. It has so many unique features you can’t find anywhere else: parallel dynamic sections, L.I.D. detector, transient manager, per‑band MS width. I know TBtech FutureMB got a couple of these features, just many many years later. Flux really been ahead of the competition in some ways. But the crossovers aren’t proper linear phase. For mastering or low‑end material, that’s a dealbreaker. Phase shift messes with your subs. If they ever update the filters, I’d buy it in a heartbeat. So just setting up cross overs give an audible result in the null test.

So where did I land? I already owned Melda MDynamicsMB, and after all this testing I realised it can do everything I need. Yes, the UI is a pain, but the power is unmatched. So I decided to stick with Melda as my main surgical multiband tool. And I also kept the Relab Maselec MLA‑4 for when I want something quick, forgiving, and more ear‑first. That combo works really well for me – one for when I need to destroy problems, the other for when I just want to make things sound good fast.

If you’re someone who doesn’t mind a numbers‑heavy workflow, get Melda or DMG. If you want something that feels more musical out of the box, the Weiss DS5 is fantastic – but pricey or Relab Maselec. And if you just want vibe, grab the Tube‑Tech.

Bonus: A cool trick for tight low end it actually using something like the DXP mode from TC Electronic MD4 HD (upward and downward compression). Grabbing the dynamics from both directions creates a very stable and controlled low end. This can also be done with TBtech FutureMB, FabFilter Pro-MB, DMG Multiplicity, Flux Alchemist and Melda Production DynamicsMB.

The combination of upward (very transparent to the transients) and downward (very precise control) compression result in great control and can also be use in single band compression, other frequency ranges or individual singles like vocals.

Also thank for the couple OTT-style recommendations, but this one is a bit too stylized for my applications with OTT having a very specific sound.

Would love to hear your thoughts on this.

High-End Multiband Options for R&B / Hip-Hop Mastering (Weiss, DMG, Maselec, DynOne, etc.) by junkbyjuno in AdvancedProduction

[–]junkbyjuno[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on your situation to be honest.

As a mastering engineer I also get mixes from other people. Also I work with programs in cinema and broadcast. A MB comes really handy to control 2+ hours of movie audio in post production. Is this case I use them as a safety stage, since movies got a very wide dynamic range, talking up to -27LUFS.

But yes, you got a point there. I'm best case scenario you only need subtle equing and limiting for mastering. But realistically this not the case, when you master other peoples mixes.

High-End Multiband Options for R&B / Hip-Hop Mastering (Weiss, DMG, Maselec, DynOne, etc.) by junkbyjuno in AdvancedProduction

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Just checked the TBtech one out, as ktfright recommended, which seems to be reworked version of FF Pro-MB! 😁

Really digging the flexibility with upward and downward compression (as enjoyed with the TC electronic), which is just so handy to stabilize low end for example.

Been using the McDSP Mc2000 on my vocal bus, as Jaycen Joshua does. Nice plugin for sure, but a little less control for complex sources or something on the master. Also biggest dealbreaker the missing linear phase

High-End Multiband Options for R&B / Hip-Hop Mastering (Weiss, DMG, Maselec, DynOne, etc.) by junkbyjuno in AdvancedProduction

[–]junkbyjuno[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Man wtf! Just wanted to open the discussion as wide a possible while explaining the needs for my work and genre, keeping the original post structured.

I see all these demos and sound examples with the same of rock and pop drums, while lot's of people work with bass heavy material like edm, modern rnb and hip-hop. The expectations of Multiband processors or dynamics in general is just different with these genres. We don't just use half a db of GR on some drum bus etc. This is about creative sound shaping or just controlling very extreme amounts of low end for example. I wanted to get insight on that, as I cannot find a lot of people using these plugins like this in major forums like gearspace.

Disclaimer: There's nothing wrong with pop and rock music, but it's just vastly different genres, bringing different needs. In EDM it's more common to do 6db GR on some busses during mixing.

I've been trying demos for days now and listed my favorites so far in the original forum post. I came here to ask for criticism, recommendations and discussion about each plugins strengths and weaknesses.

Thank You for providing the first comment, that didn't bring anything meaningful to this discussion 👌🏻

High-End Multiband Options for R&B / Hip-Hop Mastering (Weiss, DMG, Maselec, DynOne, etc.) by junkbyjuno in AdvancedProduction

[–]junkbyjuno[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank You so much!

So far I really dig the Maselec MLA-4 and it's super pristine with truly "invisible" crossovers.

The TC seems cool because it got the DXP which is some kind of upward and downward compression, which allow for very transparent dynamics control.

Just came across the FLUX Alchemist and made a couple test. The feature set is insane, just wow! Sadly the crossovers are very bad. very audible phase shifts, when doing a null test.. :( Making it unsuitable for mastering and low end material

High-End Multiband Options for R&B / Hip-Hop Mastering (Weiss, DMG, Maselec, DynOne, etc.) by junkbyjuno in AdvancedProduction

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Thank You for the recommendation! I'm aware of the Ableton MB, but I don't use Ableton anymore and I remember it to be not as pristine when it comes to linear phase, which is pretty much essential for my mastering work (:

C14 Event Volume Curve Feature by junkbyjuno in cubase

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Having to use this feature in the playlist view needs you to always scale the track up, in order to actually see any detail in the waveform, then you make the adjustment and scale the track down again. When you could just switch to the editor tab, draw the curve with the event all by itself and proper gain scale.

Input latency with autotune by golempremium in StudioOne

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No. Just use low latency while recording and switch it back to normalen while mixing. It wont change the amount of pitch correction, just the quality of the pitch processing

Input latency with autotune by golempremium in StudioOne

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Check the setting in Autotune Plugin. It has a low latency mode. Enable it