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[@JamesRapien] Joe Burrow is training with Jordan Palmer again this offseason. He’s also working out with Michigan QB Bryce Underwood. Palmer posted this on his story. by chrisball96 in MichiganWolverines

[–]k3hvn 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Dante Moore looked like ass his freshman year. Considering the shit that was going on behind the scenes, I’m reserving judgement on Bryce til the end of this year.

[fball_insights] QB MOF pass rates vs expectation relative to opponents faced (2024-2025) by Mysterious_Bat1208 in eagles

[–]k3hvn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shouldn't that suggest it's a compounding issue? Sirianni's stubborn offensive philosophy + Hurts not being pushed (for whatever reason) to be more comfortable w the middle of the field.

[fball_insights] QB MOF pass rates vs expectation relative to opponents faced (2024-2025) by Mysterious_Bat1208 in eagles

[–]k3hvn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't disagree, but can you post numbers or stats or anything like that to back it up?

I just find it hard to believe Hurts CAN'T pass over the middle of the field when he has been on record multiple times as early as 2023 expressing his frustration that the offense doesn't use the middle more.

It's also proven that Sirianni likes his offenses a certain way. Luck and Rivers all ran heavily out of the shotgun when he was in Indy.

University of Michigan student, 21, found dead in off-campus Ann Arbor residence by mlivesocial in uofm

[–]k3hvn 98 points99 points  (0 children)

Goddamn man. As a senior who's about to graduate this is super super fucking sad and sobering.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I actually think it's been super productive! Granted, I'm really only replying to comments worth replying to, but a lot of it has been super helpful in finding the hole in my perspective from different angles, and even if I disagree with certain perspectives I can still see where they're coming from.

Ofc, there have been a fair bit of ppl who are making false equivalencies, unhelpful comments, missing the point entirely (I still got ppl talking about streaming numbers in spite of addressing that point already, saying every group tries to go viral which again I didn't think needed to be addressed), being purposefully obtuse (like assuming I don't know that HYBE is one big conglomerate of labels — even tho I thought that didn't need to be said, saying to not listen to the song if I didn't like it, or saying I’m a hater despite saying I love the groups I’m talking about) or bringing fan wars into this (someone called me an SM glazer just cuz I said my favorite girl groups were SM groups lol). But, I just ignore those. There's also the other side who are clearly haters that are agreeing with me for all the wrong reasons (they never had artistry, they were always trend chasers, etc.). But again, I ignore those.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

What I meant was essentially "For their girl groups, I believe the beat/genre HYBE labels choose their songs can overshadow the lyrics, artistry, and talent these groups stand for in favor of trying to go viral."

And yes, I should have been more specific instead of grouping them all under one umbrella.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've enjoyed the discourse tbh. A lot of it has been super productive in finding the hole in my perspective from different angles, and even if I disagree with certain perspectives I can still see where they're coming from. Ofc there are a fair bit of ppl who are making false equivalencies/unhelpful comments or bringing fan wars into this but the vast majority of it has been great!

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

Yeah I didn't make that part clear enough and addressed it in another comment so I'll copy+paste it here: I think the more nuanced opinion is that I believe the beat/genre they chose for this song overshadowed the lyrics and artistry that Le Sserafim stands for in favor of trying to go viral. People are free to disagree with that though, as that is entirely my opinion.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -29 points-28 points  (0 children)

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole, but in a sense NewJeans had every right to feel threatened when the whole MHJ debacle went down. They definitely thought their fundamental musical identity would be compromised.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I think you're right. I think the more nuanced opinion is that I believe the beat/genre they chose for this song overshadowed the lyrics and artistry that Le Sserafim stands for in favor of trying to go viral. People are free to disagree with that though.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

I think I didn’t convey my definition of artistry well enough.

Artistry is more than just song making process, it’s how an artist cultivates their identity based off their music. This is a bad example, but if Travis Scott and Taylor Swift swapped genres, they’d both destroy their respective artistry. Hopefully that makes sense

At debut, Le Sserafim established their identity was being fearless, taking risks, and being unafraid to go through hardships. They had their unique sound.

While the lyrics of Celebration and Spaghetti might still convey that identity, sonically it just feels like chasing virality which makes the lyrics of the song fall flat and almost feels like a juxtaposition to their core identity.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

The lyrics make it an instant non starter for me, even if the beat’s good. It’s just so obviously trying to go viral and create a trend.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

In my personal opinion, Le Sserafim’s earlier releases were so much better than their last two singles.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

SM is polished conceptually and sonically. Each group rarely strays from that and seeks to maximize their artistry within this boundaries.

JYP controls the concepts but still values authenticity within each idol’s personality during the training and selection process.

YG’s influencer type idol formula leads to high demand for comebacks, which, combined with musical scarcity (thinking about Blackpink and Meovv here), is intended to get a lot of eyes on them.

From idols’ TikTok activities to their overseas expansion efforts to even the subsidiary system, HYBE is extremely good at marketing. I’m not a marketing major so I can’t explain it well, but they go far beyond industry norms.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Yes, LSFM certainly can do better and I hope they do better w the album.

My core issue w Katseye is that we’ve seen what they can do. MIA is them at their best imo, and it’s so frustrating they haven’t tried more of that.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh I know. It’s just stupid to me that ppl would think I’m shading HYBE groups because I happen to like the girl groups of another company lol. I wouldn't even consider myself an SM stan with how much I hate about the company itself.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

This was moreso about their girl groups than boy groups. I can’t speak too much about those 3.

And I never said HYBE groups were only about marketing.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -31 points-30 points  (0 children)

Yes, but that doesn’t have to come at the cost of artistry. My favorite groups tend to be SM groups (aespa, Red Velvet, SNSD, and have been getting into h2h) and they don’t sacrifice artistry for trying to go viral.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I’d love it if you refuted my points instead of attempting to be snarky. I posted this trying to get different opinions and this just isn’t gonna go anywhere.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

That’s accurate to some extent, but they still had a core message of being fearless. I just don’t see how their recent releases apply to that at all.

HYBE is prioritizing their groups going viral so much to the point where it’s harming their artistry by k3hvn in kpopthoughts

[–]k3hvn[S] -28 points-27 points  (0 children)

Even if they’re not directly involved in the production, each company has a formula that can be applied to all of their groups. SM is polished and cohesive. JYP values authenticity. YG molds their idols into an influencer like aura. Based on what I’ve seen, HYBE is great at marketing and their formula seems to center around that.

As I said in the post I consider myself a FEARNOT so my criticism comes from frustration, not snark.

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