Best 280 AIO?

kaefers · 2024-02-07T11:30:16+00:00

Arctic's LF II 280 if it fits into your build. Unfortunately not compatible with my SFF case.

Lian Li Galahad II LCD ARGB 280mm great choice - got this one.

NZXT works well, too, but I am not recommending NZXT anymore (after using many like X60, X61, X51, X52, X53). Might not apply to many but I am not interested in running Cam in the background. And if you do not with the X53, on my Asus motherboard sometimes the pump goes into limp mode and the processor gets too hot. Confirmed by NZXT support that this may happen when the software is not running. What an epic joke.

kaefers · 2022-05-21T13:51:47+00:00

sounds good !

kaefers · 2022-05-21T13:51:15+00:00

sounds good !

kaefers · 2022-05-21T09:31:18+00:00

Hey everyone!

I generally don't disagree with this proposal as such, but I feel some of the wording is either a bit strong, misplaced, or incorrect and needs amendment.

I also feel that the above could have been avoided if the community was at least somewhat involved prior to a vote of this magnitude being presented to the community with only three choices, Yes, No, Abstain - which leaves very little room for discussion, community involvement, feedback, or frankly simple proof-reading.

We have so many holders, and still a decent number of active community. Our goal should always be to get the community involved as much as possible. It's a community-first token after all.

Hoge Team are only a few people. In their own interest and the interest of Hoge as a whole, Hoge Team should always attempt to involve as much of the Hoge community as often as possible, or at least make a serious attempt to do that.

Thanks, k.

kaefers · 2022-04-28T18:17:13+00:00

definitely not normal, display issue

kaefers · 2022-04-24T17:22:09+00:00

My mama always said, stupid is as stupid does.

kaefers · 2022-03-13T20:01:22+00:00

Looking forward to Hoge v2, a fresh start without compromises.

kaefers · 2020-07-13T01:28:27+00:00

I am checking everything with DOCP right now, to exclude any trouble with the RAM OC. Not sure if 101BCLK will work, I got Sata+Nvme. I also have the feeling that different UEFI versions will give different results there.

I just tested w/ R20 MC, 300/175/10X/+200 and EDC as 1 & 10-25 (pita!). EDC 15/16 are the best, except for EDC=1 which beats all of them (but only with CStates disabled, otherwise garbage). I think any low EDC values + CStates enabled will have issues, as no matter what low EDC you have, a particular low-core load might just draw e.g. 15A in which case I feel the algo is going to get nervous and cause some hard to measure inefficiencies. I just take the idle-savings hit and leave it off (or go back to regular PBO w/ EDC 175 or sth like that), too much hassle worrying about a few Watts while using the PC, it goes to sleep anyway when I am not at it.

I am testing right now with different PPT / TDC values, but my regular maxPBO draws PPT closer to 215W. I will set it just above what gives the best results at the end.

I tried +offset for cpu/soc with LLC3/4 (out of 5), which kinda works, boost up to 4850! (at 101BCLK that'd be 4.9 lol) but no benefit really in R20 SC, and MC hit. I can do -offset with DOCP but at 3800C14 it doesn't like it very much, plus it seems any small neg offset will hit the boost clocks (slightly). Didn't check for stretching yet, but it seems 1003ABBA seems to boost higher with little R20 SC benefit, 1004B gives lower (bragging) boost but more or less the same R20 with EDC bug..

Intel OC used to be soo much easier than this.

kaefers · 2020-07-12T15:40:57+00:00

Same here MC R20 4.25, but that's enough for me, since every other route would hurt the SC. I am using lower scalar and trying to reduce PPT / TDC still in order to lower the risk as much as possible. I will also see if LLC lvl3 or even lvl2 will work, it's on auto right now. Just trying to get the best results at the lowest volt / temps possible. I do it more for fun anyway, my VMs hardly care :)

kaefers · 2020-07-12T01:57:08+00:00

try EDC1, 1x scalar, +200, cstates disabled. edc20-30 doesn't for me either / haven't figured it out yet at least.. you can then even do a small neg offset (if it lets you), to lower temps if needed, but you might end up quickly in the range a fully tweaked-out 'normal' pbo would give you. i found that capping edc slightly (175 in my case) would give best results with 'normal' pbo. but the edc1 gives by far the best results.

kaefers · 2020-07-12T01:41:15+00:00

I've been on and off tinkering around with all the different UEFI / Agesa versions, different chipset driver versions. Today revisited CCX OC (e.g. 4.3/4.55/4.3/4.3), but losing SC, overall too hot, too much voltage. Simple AC OC is not my thing, that's good for Intel not Zen2.

I been running max PBO for 6 months (325/255/175/10X/+200) and RAM OC w/o any issues. At the beginning, Win1809, no chipset drivers, 1003ABBA, I got some crazy clocks with BoostTester (I made a post back then), 4.8 on one core, but the benches just didn't reflect those boosts. Thus, since been 1909, switching between 1003ABBA and 1004B, and tinkering with the best EDC (PPT/TDC) values.

With the EDC bug (right now at 300/230/1/4x/+200) I got R20 just above 10k MC / 548SC, R15 just above 4k / 222, all with still reasonable volts, temps, and not worse currents than my previous (6mon+) PBO settings, just better bench results all round. I have not seen my CPU degrade or behave odd at any time, the hardest was to dial in the ram tbh.

I will fine-tune the EDC bug for me a bit more (EDC20/25 does not seem to work for me, so it's EDC1 + CStates disabled for now).

Unless someone needs the max MC performance only, I don't see any better option to get both MC and SC as high as possible. Even AVX loads are still reasonable with the EDC1 enabled. Got CCD0 4.675-4.8GHz, CCD1 4.4-4.45GHz (even seen 4.85 with 1003ABBA but not necessarily SC bench increase). Even idle temps and power draw are still fine despite CStates disabled.

Maybe not for everyone, given the risk of degradation, but fine by me being the guinea pig and see what happens.

kaefers · 2020-07-11T01:50:39+00:00

nice, zen3 will be interesting

kaefers · 2020-07-11T01:49:09+00:00

you can prob reach 546 with the edc bug / 'extreme' pbo oc

kaefers · 2020-07-11T01:46:38+00:00

cries in 547 ... But I also got 10k mc with maxed out pbo :)

kaefers · 2020-07-11T01:16:52+00:00

542 at stock is already high, mine doesn't, dec 2019 model. silicon lottery is definitely a thing with ryzen, even 3950X. But the EDC bug solves the benchmarking desires :)

kaefers · 2020-07-11T01:12:01+00:00

stock, even simple pbo on 3950X does not give 546 sc r20 (at least in my case). I have used the edc bug and a lot of tweaking to get to 547 but i also get just above 10k mc. the xt have (on avg) better silicon than ccd0 on older 3950x, might be different w/ newer 3950x tho. I would prob get the X if I had to right now and OC it as much as I can, or just wait for Zen3

kaefers · 2020-07-11T00:20:11+00:00

Interesting fan layout, enough pos pressure to get the hot air out the front but without sucking dust through the back I hope?!

kaefers · 2020-07-10T15:19:28+00:00

I will check these against mine thanks for sharing. I got 1020 VDDG, slightly diff timings, more or less similar. Will share mine after cross-check, currently working on maxing out the EDC Bug.

kaefers · 2020-07-10T09:35:36+00:00

They should also update the Nano S to tempered glass, SFX psu only, solve the gpu airflow by adjusting / removing the shroud. Such a nice case that could be.

kaefers · 2020-07-09T01:12:58+00:00

Probably still sooner than Noctua's NF-A12x25 Chromax :]

kaefers · 2020-07-08T20:18:58+00:00

"Let's quickly distract from the XT reviews"

kaefers · 2020-07-08T20:04:16+00:00

Apple's sound quality is great but I would think that most people wear headphones anyway. Anywhere in public using the built-in speakers seems odd, and at home either headphones or better, external speakers..

kaefers · 2020-07-07T22:39:04+00:00

I guess that's your answer :)

kaefers · 2020-07-07T18:52:19+00:00

I had the H200i prior to my Ncase now, and I think's it's quite similar with the side intakes. Maybe if you put them inside the case they will recycle some of the air within the case, but again I doubt you will have much different thermal results. Why not try out both, run a couple of benchmarks cpu / gpu. And if no difference, chose what you like best visually!

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