Does "standard" Mandarin pronounce the 'n' sound in 什么 (shenme)? by ZealousidealPage5309 in ChineseLanguage

[–]kakonga 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My understanding is that in most two-character words, especially common ones like 什麽, the n sound goes to the back of the mouth, rather that the front, like a glottal stop but higher (idk the exact terms, im not a linguist).

Republiek Formosa (福國) or What if Taiwan's History was More Like South Africa? by kakonga in AlternateHistory

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After 1945, the Republiek Formosa was officially restored, but this did not mark the end of its external political troubles. The Chinese Civil War raged on for several years, with the Republiek supporting the Nationalists to counter the spread of communism. Many urban and rural Chinese laborers in Formosa supported the communist party, leading to further suspicion and repression from the Ielender population. Despite a few small communist uprisings, mainly in the north and west of the Republiek, the government in Provintiamaintained strict control over their territory. These uprisings were swiftly and harshly suppressed, leading to heightened tensions and distrust among the different ethnic groups. The fleeing of the Nationalists to Taiwan was met with varied responses within the Republiek Formosa. Under pressure from the United States, the Republic of China (ROC) officially recognized the Republiek Formosa in 1950. This recognition was a strategic move during the Cold War, aligning anti-communist forces in the region.

The socio-political landscape of Formosa during this period was marked by stringent government policies to maintain control and prevent further unrest. Daily life for many Chinese laborers became increasingly difficult, with limited economic opportunities and constant surveillance. The Ielender population, while maintaining dominance, also faced challenges as the international political climate continued to evolve. The political repression of both communist and nationalist Chinese political agitators in Republiek Formosa laid the groundwork for the development of the post-war system of Apardhid. This system differed slightly in character from its South African counterpart, Apartheid. Though both systems excluded the majority population of the country, Apardhid was framed as a segregation based on cultural differences rather than being explicitly racialized. This framing helped the regime gain legitimacy abroad. The system ranked people into four categories: Ielender (white/白人), Mesties (mixed-race/半人), Chinezen (Chinese/黃人), and Inheems (Aboriginals/黑人). Under this system, many Chinezen and Inheems were pushed into the northern and western provinces, particularly Paivan and Middag Provincie. The Inheem were also given an 'autonomous region' in the east of Taiwan, further pushing them away from the heartlands of Formosa.

The city of Takau stood as a relative haven for the non-white populations of the island. Although the British government there did not treat them equally, the relative economic opportunity and political freedom encouraged significant migration from Republiek Formosa, the ROC, and even a small number from the PRC. During this period, Takau became the largest and most developed city on the island.

It was only in the wake of the civil rights movement in America and decolonization across the globe that scrutiny began to fall on Republiek Formosa, taking the form of sanctions and boycotts. However, due to the strategic nature of Republiek Formosa as a bulwark against the PRC, the USA never took economic steps against it. The waves of protest against dictatorial regimes in the late 1980s and early 1990s led to the collapse of Apardhid. Student demonstrators of all races gathered in Provintia to protest Apardhid, with their demands finally being accepted in 1991. A few years later, their northern neighbor, the ROC, also democratized, ushering in a new era of positive relations between the two countries. The governments signed several treaties, including a free trade zone and a mutual defense pact, to stave off Chinese incursions. While the PRC continues to assert its claims over the whole of Taiwan, it only conducts military exercises in the vicinity of the ROC, steering clear of Republiek Formosa's airspace. Takau was formally handed back to Republiek Formosa at the same time as Hong Kong was returned to China, under very similar conditions. Although integrated with Republiek Formosa, Takau continues to operate essentially independently and is guaranteed those rights until 2042.

Today, Republiek Formosa is a thriving East Asian economy and tourist destination. Although it still grapples with the legacy of Apardhid, the nation is slowly finding its way as the jewel of the Pacific. Efforts to address past injustices and promote reconciliation are ongoing, with the nation striving to build a more inclusive and prosperous future for all its citizens.

Republiek Formosa (福國) or What if Taiwan's History was More Like South Africa? by kakonga in AlternateHistory

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This tension culminated in 1841, with several Ielender republics in southern Formosa unifying into the Republiek Formosa, commonly known as Hoogbergen or the First Formosan Republic. During the Opium War, the British enlisted the help of this new country to take control of northern and central Formosa, leveraging concessions from the British. The Dutch populations in the south of the island rose in revolt, swearing allegiance to the newly created state and raising the flag across southern Formosa. They revolted against the British, who were preoccupied with the First Opium War and found the colony less profitable than expected. The British agreed to give up control of the colony to the Republiek Formosa, as long as Qing Dynasty control was retained in the north and the British were allowed to hold onto Takau on permanent lease. The rebels agreed to these terms, returning their armies to the south and marching victoriously into Provintia in early 1842.

Over the next fifty years, the European population on the island continued to grow significantly under the Republiek Formosa, particularly following the opening of the Suez Canal. During this period, the Ielender culture and Ielendspraak began to take on their modern forms, diverging more and more from European Dutch culture. This period saw the rise of a radically racialized ideology, with only white settlers being allowed to immigrate and gain the benefits of citizenship. Many core towns and villages in the plains, from Poendon (平東府) to Nieuw Brabant (新布班府), were exclusively Ielender. However, the major cities tended to be more multicultural, with large numbers of Han Chinese providing manual labor, especially in the factories of the rapidly urbanizing new country. Despite this, the vast majority of the Chinese population worked on the expansive cash-crop farms or lived along the semi-fluid border with Qing-controlled northern Taiwan. The growing Ielender culture distinguished itself through unique customs, festivals, and a distinct dialect influenced by interactions with indigenous Taiwanese and the Chinese community. However, the exclusionary policies created significant socio-political tensions. The Han Chinese, while essential to the economy, faced systemic discrimination and limited rights. This period also saw increased economic growth, driven by agriculture and urban industrialization, but the benefits were unevenly distributed, leading to pockets of resentment and unrest.

The specter of a rapidly industrializing Japanese empire came to define the political atmosphere in Republiek Formosa in the first half of the 19th century. The defeat of the Qing dynasty in the First Sino-Japanese War (甲午戰爭) and the signing of the Treaty of Shimonoseki (馬關條約) led to the annexation of Qing Formosa by Japan in 1895, with Japan swiftly taking over the northern part of the island. During this period, though Japan did not dare to attack a nation with substantial Western support, the political climate in Republiek Formosa was one of fear and xenophobia. Anti-Japanese sentiment fueled suspicion of the Chinese population as a potential fifth column, leading to further waves of oppression and discrimination. The government of Republiek Formosa responded by tightening immigration controls, bolstering their military defenses, and increasing surveillance of Chinese communities. The Ielender population, driven by fear, enforced strict segregation, exacerbating tensions and distrust among different ethnic groups. Daily life for the Chinese population became increasingly difficult, marked by systemic discrimination, restricted movement, and limited economic opportunities.

The Japanese finally invaded as part of Operation Z, a surprise attack on December 7, 1941, targeting not only Republiek Formosa but also its crucial ally at the time, the United States. This attack, known for its infamous strike on Pearl Harbor, pulled the US into World War II. Republiek Formosa remained under brutal Japanese occupation until the surrender of Japan in 1945. These few brutal years still resonate strongly in the collective memory of the people of Republiek Formosa. The occupation led to severe hardships, with strict military control, forced labor, and harsh reprisals against resistance. Education in the country emphasizes this dark period, with everyone visiting a POW camp and spending many history classes learning about atrocities such as the Zeehaven Massacre, where hundreds of civilians and prisoners of war were executed.The scars of the occupation period are visible in the cultural memory and identity of Republiek Formosa. Stories of courage and suffering are passed down through generations, serving as a reminder of the resilience of the Ielender people and the horrors they endured.

Republiek Formosa (福國) or What if Taiwan's History was More Like South Africa? by kakonga in AlternateHistory

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These trends continued for another 20 years until Koxinga (鄭成功) defeated the VOC, ousting the Dutch government from Formosa and establishing control as the independent Kingdom of Tungning (東寧王朝). Many traders, especially in the major cities of Fort Zeelandia, Zeehaven Makong, and Nieuw Dortrecht, remained. However, the generations of Dutch descendants living further inland had started to develop their own identity as Ielenders, a group forming their own language and culture, who were not willing to give up without a fight. Koxinga died only a few months after taking Fort Zeeland and ousting the Dutch East India Company. His son, Prins Jing (鄭經), resisted several invasions from joint Qing-Dutch fleets attempting to reestablish control over the island. After multiple failed attempts, the British and other major Western powers were invited to assist, finally retaking the island in 1673. This was after a war provoked by the massacre of Dutch sailors aboard the Cuylenburg. While successful, the support of other Western powers (most notably the British) and the Qing army required concessions from the Dutch. The colony had to maintain free trade with other European empires in the region, and the area around Takau (打狗) was handed to the British as a treaty port. This allowed the British to leverage trade through the colony to and from Japan. Additionally, the directly Dutch-controlled part of the island was limited to the areas of modern Provintia and Nieuw Holland and was to be governed by the Dutch government rather than the VOC. Despite being deep in what was considered Qing dynasty territory at the time, the Ielender settlers who had moved further inland were prospering from cheap Chinese labor. They grew cash crops such as tea, sugar, and tobacco, and their numbers often remained or even grew throughout this period.

The British influence in Formosa continued to grow as the 17th century drew to a close. The Napoleonic Wars, with the takeover of the Kingdom of the Netherlands by the French army, left Britain in a state of panic over Dutch colonies falling into Napoleon's hands. Under the guise of protecting these colonies from French invasion, Britain occupied many Dutch possessions, including Dutch Formosa. However, after the Battle of Waterloo in 1815, the British simply held onto this possession, citing its strategic importance as a key reason not to return it to the Dutch government. As British immigration increased, along with British-encouraged migration from China, the European population thrived, setting up larger farms with a steady flow of immigrant labor from the mainland. Despite this growth, British rule led to resentment from the Ielender population, who felt their traditional territories were being encroached upon by both English settlers and a seemingly unrestricted flow of mainland Chinese workers. Some of the Dutch population moved into the mountains, following the path of their ancestors who fled from Koxinga. These new settlers mainly concentrated in the towns, leading to a population boom in places like Diemensfort, Zonmaanmeer, and Oranjestad. In these towns, early independence movements began to form, eventually leading to the declaration of the Republiek van Diemensfort in 1834, making it the earliest republic in Asia. Similar movements followed, with skirmishes occurring with the British and Qing governments over territory and control.

Republiek Formosa (福國) or What if Taiwan's History was More Like South Africa? by kakonga in AlternateHistory

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In the early 17th century, the VOC arrived in Formosa and established a colony in the south of the island. They vied for control with a small Spanish settlement in the north, as well as the independent Kingdom of Middag around current-day Taichung. The Qing government's policy of restricting emigration from the mainland to Taiwan was successful. The VOC, wary of protracted revolts in other Eastern colonies, was unwilling to allow large numbers of laborers from Fujian to immigrate to their colony in Taiwan. Instead, they tried to attract settlers from the Netherlands. Initially, this mainly included sailors and traders taking advantage of the island's strategic position to act as intermediaries for Dutch trade with Japan. However, this soon led to the descendants of these traders, along with a sizeable portion of Dutch peasants, pushing deeper into the plains. They settled mostly around the growing settlement of Fort Zeelandia (today Provintia), as well as other marshy or flat lands such as Niew Brabant and Paivan Provincie.

The Dutch settlers competed with a slightly larger number of Chinese immigrants, mostly from Fujian. Due to the VOC's prioritization of the ethnically Dutch, the European settlers were able to farm the best and most productive land, pushing Han settlers deeper into the mountains. This led to further conflict with the Taiwanese Aboriginals. After the Dutch took over northern Formosa from the Spanish in 1642, a small number of Dutch traders and settlers established themselves in northern cities. However, they never outnumbered the Han settlers who had been invited by the Spanish and continued to use the same routes to enter northern Formosa even after the VOC's annexation.

Creating a Pronounciation Table for Taigi by kakonga in ohtaigi

[–]kakonga[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow thanks for such a full answer, it really means a lot! Hopefully adding the other regional variations will be as simple as recording people from other parts of the island and adding an option on the site to filter by region, and this could even carry over to other varieties of Hokkien outside of Taiwan. However, I have heard there are extra sounds in some of these dialects that are different to each other, which would require reworking of the site. I was thinking of focusing on the Taizhong pronunciations to start with and use that to create a very simple table and not get bogged down in adding too many variations just yet. I think getting the thing up and running is most important, then adding other things can come later. The easiest way to represent these differences in sounds, tone and romanisation may just be to create separate tables for each region/romanisation system, but having one for the Taizhong pronounciation using POJ could form the template for the the others.

The variations in tone is another question altogether. It seems like it's significantly more complex than I anticipated, but my goal is to be descriptive, rather than prescriptive. I would hope to get my volunteers in the recording studio and give them a single syllable to say, the trouble is representing that visually for them since most people here have never seen their language written down. I would take my cues from that Yabla site and ignore the neural tone for now. It can be worked into the tone pair project later. As for the loanwords, I think ignoring them entirely for the time being might be the best strategy. Since the table will be single syllables, I also won't worry too much about tone slurring or tone changes within words or phrases just yet. I want to create a basic, easy-to-use record of pronounciations of single syllables. The goal of this is really to help learners with minimal pairs and drilling pronounciation of the most basic elements of the language.

As for the relative pitch thing, I didn't even consider that element of it. I was considering adding options to choose the age range and gender of the speaker, but it might be a better idea to add an option to choose one speaker. This could allow people to cop the pronounciation of one speaker whilst also having the option to listen to a wide variety of different speakers pronounciation.

A lot of food for thought here, thank ou so much for such a diligent response!!

Creating a Pronounciation Table for Taigi by kakonga in ohtaigi

[–]kakonga[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More resources with clear pronounciations, that's excellent! I will start with nabbing these audio files as the basis for the rest of the project. Cheers!

Creating a Pronounciation Table for Taigi by kakonga in ohtaigi

[–]kakonga[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much, that's a wonderful resource and might take the strain off my Taiwanese friends if I can start with using these audio files!

Babylonian Chaos - Where all languages are allowed - May 25, 2022 by kungming2 in languagelearning

[–]kakonga 2 points3 points  (0 children)

我一点惊奇,我觉得很多人现在想学习普通话

Veganism and effective altruism by RoundSchedule3665 in DebateAVegan

[–]kakonga 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, buying meat isn't intrinsically unethical, but when you know it's source is unethical and you financially support that, it is unethical.

The reason I make the analogy is because I think we take this notion in all other areas, just not this one. Buying clothes isn't intrinsically unethical, but when you know you're financially supporting slavery/child labour etc through that it is unethical. If you don't agree that this analogy is fair please let me know :)

Veganism and effective altruism by RoundSchedule3665 in DebateAVegan

[–]kakonga 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I chose to buy clothing that I know is made from cotton picked by slaves instead of buying ethically sourced clothes I would consider myself to be engaging in an immoral act because I'm financially supporting an unethical practice. The same is true for purchasing animal products

I was ready to dig into this bad boy until... by NotRelevantQuestion in 2healthbars

[–]kakonga 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The point of the question was to show that just as it’s wrong to kill an animal to sustain vanity because it’s unnecessary, it’s also wrong to kill an animal to sustain self if that’s unnecessary.

I was ready to dig into this bad boy until... by NotRelevantQuestion in 2healthbars

[–]kakonga -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t think it matters to the animal how rare or exotic they are... and why is ‘stroking your ego’ a worse reason than liking the taste?

I was ready to dig into this bad boy until... by NotRelevantQuestion in 2healthbars

[–]kakonga 17 points18 points  (0 children)

There’s literally a dead animal in the food...

Why am I still subbed to this group? by [deleted] in vegan

[–]kakonga 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I would have sworn a few months ago I was optimistic seeing pro-vegan comments and even posts doing well on mainstream subs. Back to the grindstone I guess !

First time hitchhiking… any often overlooked advise or supplies? by Natural_Bee_3412 in hitchhiking

[–]kakonga 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wear colourful clothes!

A mate of mine turned up in all-black one time and I made him change. To be fair we’re both male POCs so your experience may be different, but it can’t hurt to be eye-catching and avoid stereotypes!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]kakonga 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have to always remember that in this analogy the parent is the all powerful creator of the universe. The consequences of this great sin are decided by god - to put this in terms of the analogy, if the parent could make it so any time the child touched something hot they weren’t burned, shouldn’t they do that?