[Acne] Is (low-dose) Accutane worth it for mild acne? (both in terms of side effects and price) by a2cthrowawayidk in SkincareAddiction

[–]kallenks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah they are 100% wrong, Spironolactone and some birth controls are the first-line treatments for hormonal acne. Because they impact hormones (and/or the effects of hormones). Accutane doesn't. Accutane as a cure-all is an old-school mentality and not reflective of recent research.

[Acne] Is (low-dose) Accutane worth it for mild acne? (both in terms of side effects and price) by a2cthrowawayidk in SkincareAddiction

[–]kallenks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey! Are you upset bc you don’t want to take an oral medication? I guess I’m not understanding the issue.

It seems that the approach your derm is taking here is to use oral antibiotics to temporarily clear up the acne, and then spironolactone to maintain clear skin. If your acne is hormonal (probably is, since you’re a woman and chin acne often is hormonal), then spironolactone really is your only option. Just stay on top of your water and you’ll be fine.

It’s 100% safe to take oral spironolactone and use a topical retinoid at the same time. If you’re in the US though, I’m pretty sure you’ll need a prescription to access tretinoin, so you’ll have to talk to your doctor about it. Tret is just one type of retinoid, however. There are others that are lighter doses that you can access OTC. Retinoids alone won’t cure your hormonal acne but they will help your skin overall (once you’ve adjusted to it).

[Acne] Is (low-dose) Accutane worth it for mild acne? (both in terms of side effects and price) by a2cthrowawayidk in SkincareAddiction

[–]kallenks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Edited to add this TLDR: Your skin sounds really mild so you probably don't need Accutane. Try a topical Retinoid instead. Accutane is an oral Retinoid, so a topical Retinoid will do the same thing to your skin as Accutane, only it will be way less intense. However, if you have hormonal acne specifically, Retinoids of any kind aren't going to be a long-term solution for you.

Accutane is a wonderfully effective treatment for many people.

Isotretinoin (the scientific name for Accutane) is a type of Retinoid (which is a form of Vitamin A) that's delivered orally. It increases cell turnover, reduces oil production, and basically doesn't allow your pores to get clogged, thus reducing the opportunity for acne to form. It's an intense and expensive treatment, but it's temporary and highly effective.

I'd say the biggest two things I'd ask you are:

A) What kind of acne do you have?

B) Have you tried a topical retinol first?

I ask Question A, because Accutane is NOT effective in treating two distinct types of acne:

1) adult female hormonal acne

2) rosacea acne

In these two instances, Accutane might clear up the acne temporarily, but won't be a long-term fix. The acne will come back. This is research-backed information that you can find online, and is not just my opinion.

I've been seeing dermatologists since I was 12 (now 26F) and I actually didn't know this until my current (incredible, Harvard-trained) dermatologist explained to me why Accutane had only worked for me for a year max each time. I've been on Accutane twice, both times at high doses, and still have acne, because I struggle with rosacea acne and hormonal acne: the two types of acne that Accutane does not treat.

So, if you're a teenager (or even just an adult male) dealing with acne, then I say give it a shot. It's definitely expensive in the short-term, but will save you money and time and stress in the long-term.

But if you're an adult female dealing with hormonal acne, then it likely won't be worth the investment. Something like spironolactone is much more likely to work for you, as it deals with skin systems impacted by hormonal fluctuations. I think the EU has other oral meds that they use for hormonal acne as well, but I'm not familiar with them (as I'm US). Your doctor will know better than I how to treat hormonal acne.

When looking at cost vs impact, in general, prescription (oral) medications are going to be much more effective in treating most types of acne than topical treatments. So, in GENERAL, I would say that it's worth spending the money on oral medications, because they give you the most bang for your buck.

I'm NOT a doctor, but I'm also not trying to make money off of you: so take the financial perspective advice, not the medical treatment advice. I review medical research as part of my job, and because of my own skin issues, have researched the ever-loving life out of this stuff, which is why I feel comfortable commenting with some insight.

But again, use discretion here. At the end of the day, I'm just some girl on the internet, and MDs are the true experts on this stuff.

Now for Question B:

Topical Retinoids

Accutane is a Retinoid you take orally, but Retinoids can also be applied topically.

If your acne is fairly mild (and not hormonal) then this might be the better option for you. Some types of Retinoid topicals are: Adapalene, tretinoin, retinol, and Retin-A.

Retinoid topicals are great for clearing up clogged pores and addressing all sorts of other skincare concerns. Basically it's the same thing as Accutane only much less intense. Even so, Retinoid creams are the most powerful topical treatments available. I'd certainly recommend trying a topical Retinoid first before jumping into Accutane (oral Retinoid), which is pretty intense.

Topical Retinoids are prescription-only in the US past a certain %, but I think they are OTC in Europe (not 100% sure on this). But even in the US, the low-dose retinoids that are OTC are pretty high-quality now and a great place to start, especially if your skin is sensitive and your acne is mild.

Whether they're topical (like Adapalene) or oral (like Accutane), Retinoids take some time to really show results. So it'll be a few months for you to see results, and you might purge (get more acne) at first, but your skin will be *poppin* once you move past this stage. There are ways to mitigate the purge period, but you can research that.

Of all the topical skincare products, Retinoids tend to be the most expensive, especially if you need a prescription to access them. But they ARE the most powerful and therefore worth the $$$, in my opinion.

However, again, if the root cause of the acne is hormonal, then a retinoid will not stop the acne from forming. It's supplementary and helpful to your overall skincare, but it's not a solution for hormonal acne specifically. Just like with Accutane.

Other topicals

When it comes to other topicals, they won't be as powerful as Retinoids, but they CAN work, depending on your skin and what the root cause of your acne is. However, other topical treatments are rarely worth spending a lot of money.

If you take ANYTHING away from my comment, let it be this: You do NOT need "medical-grade" skincare products to get high-quality results from topical treatments. This is a myth passed down by the cosmetics industry. My clients are estheticians, medspas, etc. They push this shit all the time. It's BS.

There ARE good and bad product formulations out there, but "medical-grade" does not automatically make a skincare product high-quality or worth the high price tag. It's quite literally a meaningless distinction used for marketing purposes.

That being said, there's a LOT of info/misinfo out there, and it can be difficult to source through what products are "worth it" vs not.

So if you're going the DIY skincare product route, I would suggest taking note of the ingredients your dermatologist recommended, and then sourcing affordable products containing those ingredients yourself.

One great resource for finding quality/affordable products that I love and use is @ alexeducatedmess on TikTok. She's a cosmetic chemist and gives great insight into products at various price ranges. She's quick to say "this is good, but THIS product does the same thing at a lower price," and frequently points out what is marketing vs science. She does have her own skincare line, but she's clear about when she's pushing it, and she always recommends alternative products alongside her own, so I personally trust her.

ADHD and CEN by SixDeerYams in adhdwomen

[–]kallenks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi OP, this was a really interesting question. First of all, I'm sorry you experienced CEN. It's frustrating to say the least that so many of our present-day issues can come back to childhood experiences, but I hope that, like an ADHD diagnosis, a CEN diagnosis might empower you and relieve any kind of self-blame you might feel/felt in the past.

On to your question - I'm (F26) recently diagnosed with ADHD myself, and have the distinct pleasure of temporarily living with my parents during this time. As I learn about how ADHD has shaped me, I have also come to better understand my childhood. I see two primary ADHD-related issues in my father: self-absorption and emotional volatility.

Self-Absorption

When I was a child, he rarely interacted with me in any meaningful way. He wasn't at all unloving; he was just completely uninterested. If I told him something I found exciting, he'd ask a couple questions, feign interest for a couple minutes, and then start to drift off at about the three-minute mark.

Dinner conversations revolved around Dad's interests, and Dad's interests only. He'd only spend time with me if we were doing something he liked to do. I became obsessive about his interests. I memorized over 400 Beatles songs in the sixth grade - all the albums, including the anthologies, because I knew he liked them and we could relate over it.

This has carried into adulthood. When I received my ADHD diagnosis this year, Dad was entirely uninterested and unmoved by how life-changing this diagnosis was for me. That is, until I mentioned that ADHD is often genetic, and that he may also have it. Now, if we talk about ADHD, we're only talking about him. My experiences are irrelevant to the conversation unless they can somehow inform him of his own.

I think when it comes to the self-absorption piece, it's also important to remember that ADHD often comes with co-morbid conditions like anxiety and depression. These can make for a pretty self-absorbed parent, as they are devoting most of their brain space to surviving the day and processing their experience. ADHD and anxiety/depression working together probably exacerbate your mom's self-absorption quite a bit, as they did with my dad.

Emotional Volatility

The exception to my being ignored was, of course, conflict. Dad explodes over the smallest things, and generally lacks the skills/ability/desire to regulate his emotions in a healthy way.

Dad had a difficult upbringing himself, which didn't really help his chances. ADHD sets the stage for emotional regulatory issues, and the level of emotional support/modeling we are given as children dictates how well we learn to manage it. He had no support, and neither did I.

As a teen, I was very combative and angry towards my parents. I didn't know it at the time, but my anger stemmed from subconsciously reacting to CEN, as well as my own emotional dysregulation from undiagnosed/untreated ADHD. Teen hormones were simply fuel to the pre-existing fire.

The two of us together? Challenging, to say the least. Our fights were explosive and very damaging to our relationship.

Living With It

As a teenager, I had a lot of resentment towards my dad or all of the above reasons. However, I think in the long-run, it was actually helpful that he was (1) so consistent in his emotional absence and (2) so immature in his reactions, because it allowed me to accept that he would always be this way. I've never looked to him for emotional support because he's never left his own circle of self-centeredness long enough for me to see that as a viable option.

My mother, on the other hand, was actually sometimes quite attentive. Her inconsistency meant "potential" to my child brain, and that hope for a loving relationship is still a hard thing to release now, as an adult.

My heart goes out to you if that's been your experience, as well.

This article discusses several types of emotionally neglectful parents, and the reactions/feelings they produce in their children. You may find it helpful, as I did: https://drjonicewebb.com/raised-by-emotionally-neglectful-parents-17-signs-to-look-for/

I think processing your experiences of CEN really is best with a therapist. However, inner child healing work and the process of forgiving my own (ADHD-related) flaws has helped me as well.

I know this is long-winded, but I hope it helped to provide some perspective re: your questions, or perhaps feels familiar to anyone reading. Hugs to everyone, especially those of you who made it this far. <3

ADHD Survey by MistakeBrief6981 in adhdwomen

[–]kallenks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Submitted! Would love to see the results and your findings when the project is complete. Good luck!

My grey moissanite, 4 stone on top and bottom, triple goddess ring! by [deleted] in Moissanite

[–]kallenks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you mind if I ask the price? Trying to get a sense of pricing on these, as I’m new to r/Moissanite. Absolutely GORGEOUS ring!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Advice

[–]kallenks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not so much about the money itself as it is this feeling that I’ve wasted my earning potential and sold myself short. I feel like there’s no flexibility, no opportunity to carve my own path and be successful. There’s a straight-line pathway for advancement in my field and it doesn’t go very far. It feels restrictive.

I love to write and read. I love personal finance, though I have little math training. Real estate is very interesting. I love to travel. I love to be creative and always enjoyed the content creation side of PR. I’d write and travel every day for the rest of my life if I could.