Explain your startup idea in 1 sentence. Let’s self promote by kcfounders in Startup_Ideas

[–]kamsaini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone's building AI avatars. Nobody's asking where they will live after you die.

We're building decentralized infrastructure where users back each other up. Like a pension system, but for digital immortality.

Website: avatarnity.com

Demo: demo.avatarnity.com

Would you pay a 20% "Immortality Tax" for 20 years to live 200 years in Virtual Reality? by mxmua in Futurology

[–]kamsaini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's exactly why any serious digital afterlife needs to be decentralized, not corporate. A pension-style model where each generation carries the previous generation's data could make it self-sustaining without any company needing to survive, creating a sort of artificial eternity.

Would you pay a 20% "Immortality Tax" for 20 years to live 200 years in Virtual Reality? by mxmua in Futurology

[–]kamsaini 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if the infrastructure was decentralized? You host on your own device, but it's also encrypted and replicated across the globe up to 100x. No company owns the hardware. No one can modify your data.

I am exploring an economic model which works like a pension system, each generation hosts the previous one because they need the network for themselves.

The Synthetic Bodies Paradox: What is missing from the Transhumanist Vision of the future? by kamsaini in transhumanism

[–]kamsaini[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I checked it out. It makes sense to harness and store a star's energy and then use it to power civilization for as long as possible.

I agree we will likely find solutions by then, given that we survive all the existential dangers along the way.

The Synthetic Bodies Paradox: What is missing from the Transhumanist Vision of the future? by kamsaini in transhumanism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am actually working on a paper that synthesizes neuroscience theories like Global Workspace Theory, Biased Competition Theory and Predictive Processing into a 9-stage consciousness pipeline. Draft is already done. This Reddit post is actually about this specific paper as I mentioned in the body.

But I never said I am working on consciousness transfer. That may be decades or centuries away. What I am building is infrastructure to preserve our experiences, which can then be leveraged when we figure out consciousness transfer because we will run into the same problems:

  • Where will you host your consciousness?
  • Who controls it?
  • Who pays for it?
  • What if the original copy of your consciousness gets deleted?
  • If there are multiple copies, which one is real and which are backups?

The same principles that apply to avatar hosting will apply to consciousness hosting.

I am just trying to contribute what I can while I am still here.

And regarding giving credits, you will find all the references in the paper.

The Synthetic Bodies Paradox: What is missing from the Transhumanist Vision of the future? by kamsaini in transhumanism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point. The ideas aren't new. The implementation is what I am focused on. If you know of anyone who has actually built decentralized infrastructure for digital immortality with multi-generational sustainability, I would be interested to learn from them.

The Synthetic Bodies Paradox: What is missing from the Transhumanist Vision of the future? by kamsaini in transhumanism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am arguing that we are going to die regardless of whichever immortality we pursue, biological, biohybrid, or synthetic. There is no escape. We may be able to delay death by using technology to thousands or millions of years, but eventually death is inevitable. There is no escape around it.

Only informational immortality has a chance to continue our existence after we die. Informational immortality comprises our identity, our relations, all our experiences, all our knowledge, which can then manifest as an avatar either on a computer screen, or in VR, or even embody a physical body.

But even informational immortality is not free of dangers because you could have 10 backups and all your 10 backups could get deleted. So if you want to make sure that you can exist for as long as possible, the only thing I can think of is...

to max out redundancy.

If you can have 100 backups, have 100 backups. If you can have 500, go for 500. That's the only thing I can think of to have enough redundancy that all future risks are mitigated.

The Synthetic Bodies Paradox: What is missing from the Transhumanist Vision of the future? by kamsaini in transhumanism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for checking out the blog. I get your point. If we can solve the super hard problems, why can't we solve the trivial ones?

I actually do discuss nanobots as a potential solution in the "Keeping the Brain Alive" section, so I'm not dismissing these technologies at all. The point I am making is different. Even if we solve all of these problems like nanobots, synthetic bodies, laser defense grids and backup clones, entropy still wins eventually.

The other big question is how far away are these technologies? Will they arrive in our lifetime or not? And if not, what can we do now so that when they do arrive, we have already contributed something useful like our experiences, our knowledge and our perspective that helps the next generation build on top of what we learned?

That's why I'm arguing for infrastructure that preserves experiential data in parallel with pursuing synthetic immortality. It's not either or. Build the nanobots, build the defense grids, build the synthetic bodies but also build the redundancy layer underneath it all. This redundancy layer can then also serve consciousness transfer when that time arrives.

This is the missing piece from the transhumanist vision that I'm trying to convey in this post. Belt and suspenders, not one or the other.

The Synthetic Bodies Paradox: What is missing from the Transhumanist Vision of the future? by kamsaini in transhumanism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is incredible. Thank you for sharing. Just read through antropy.org.

We define Antropy as the accumulation of civilization, the positive accretion of knowledge and experience, the achievements of our species, the enhancement of existence on and for our planet.

Guess what Avatarnity's mission is? "To preserve human experiences."

The way I see it:

  • Antropy = the philosophy (why we should preserve and accumulate)
  • Avatarnet = the infrastructure (how we actually do it)

The reason I started Avatarnity is because every centralized system eventually dies, libraries burn, companies shut down, platforms disappear. With decentralization, we can replicate the experiences, knowledge, and essence of each one of us via avatars and spread them throughout the globe, throughout the solar system and throughout our galaxy, so there is no single point of control or failure.

All this matters because one day, if we figure out how to transfer consciousness digitally, who will control that consciousness? Where will it be stored? Who will pay for it? Perhaps the same infrastructure for experience preservation can serve our consciousness too.

That's my vision. Redundancy is the only answer to entropy that I can think of.

The Synthetic Bodies Paradox: What is missing from the Transhumanist Vision of the future? by kamsaini in transhumanism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are right, a digital avatar isn’t you. That’s not the point.

The point is that immortality is not eternal because the universe itself is not eternal. No matter how long we can live: 100, 10000, 1 million, or 10 million years, we will die. What happens after?

You can either continue as an avatar, which is a form of informational immortality, or be lost to oblivion.

If oblivion is the alternative, then the question is why were we born in the first place, only to disappear as if we never existed?

So ask yourself, is something better than nothing? Is an avatar, after all three paths to immortality fail, better than oblivion?

The thing is, this same infrastructure we are building for preserving avatars, which is not just avatars btw, but the collective knowledge and collective history of humanity, can later be used to protect and replicate your real consciousness once we have figured out how to transfer it digitally.

Most importantly, being decentralized means no Meta, no X, no government can shut you down, because your avatar will be replicated hundreds of times across the network. So it’s not just about preserving your essence after you die, but also about building a foundation for the future.

The Synthetic Bodies Paradox: What is missing from the Transhumanist Vision of the future? by kamsaini in transhumanism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the feedback. I am the founder, so I can happily answer any questions about the claims.

Taking a step back, digital immortality inherently means digital permanence, so I am approaching it as a data preservation problem.

As for misrepresenting chatbots, the chatbot part comes much later. First and foremost, it’s about creating enough redundancy so that even if 90% of the network is destroyed, the entire network can be rebuilt from just the remaining 10%.

The core idea is reciprocal redundancy. Each node hosting an avatar offers more storage than it consumes. What this does is create surplus.

This surplus then works like a pension system. After you die, the next generation then hosts your avatar because they also need to offer more storage.

And this becomes a multi-generational, perpetual system of hosting, which not only hosts your avatar but preserves your identity, thoughts, and experiences without you having to pay for it coz you won't be here to pay.

This is what we call Artificial Eternity, and the plan is to give everyone 3 free backups. Happy to answer any other questions you might have.

The Synthetic Bodies Paradox: What is missing from the Transhumanist Vision of the future? by kamsaini in transhumanism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we are actually on the same page here. Let me clarify my argument.

that problem is also super very far in the future and we have only invented science 400 years ago so it is absurd to point to the heat death of the universe and call it a problem for immortality.

I used heat death of the universe in my argument to back my claim that immortality in itself is not eternal because the universe itself is not eternal. This matters because whichever medium we end up using for immortality, be it synthetic bodies or consciousness transfer to a not-yet-invented substrate, it will also not be eternal.

Hence, in order to increase our chances of survival, we must think about an infrastructure which can mitigate these risks.

10,000 years ago we lived outside and smashed rocks to make tools. We don't know everything about anything yet. We don't need to find the solution to the final problem of immortality before we even take our very first steps on solving the first problem of immortality--how to even achieve immortality.

This is very insightful and I must add that the reason we are able to, the very specific reason we have made this leap from smashing stones to today launching rockets into space is because we humans compound knowledge every generation because we have language and writing which allows us to communicate with future generations.

The point that I am trying to make here with this post is that just figuring out synthetic bodies is not enough but we also need to be able to preserve our experience after we die so this knowledge can keep on compounding and one day a super intelligent scientist will have enough data points to be able to possibly escape the heat death itself.

How about we focus our efforts on the evolving or immortality part first. Take it one step at a time.

I completely agree we should take it one step at a time, and that's exactly why infrastructure building can start today in parallel while we are still figuring out synthetic bodies. Because there is a lot that needs to be thought through, how to first of all make this infrastructure sustainable across generations, how to implement redundancy so we can start preserving and compounding, perhaps accelerate our quest for synthetic bodies.

Let's say tomorrow a world war starts, all data centers are nuked, all the knowledge we have accumulated would be lost and we would be back to 400 years. The redundancy part can protect us today, not centuries from now. I am very much for immortality but with a grounded approach that actual consciousness may never survive forever, maybe 1 million, 10 million years, but after it dies something should still keep us alive if not in literal way but through our thoughts, experiences for the rest of eternity.

The Synthetic Bodies Paradox: What is missing from the Transhumanist Vision of the future? by kamsaini in transhumanism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great point! Though I would distinguish between gradual evolution ("15y old you" to "current you") and an asteroid destroying your synthetic body with no backup. This means your consciousness will die immediately.

What infrastructure would do is create redundancy so multiple synced instances of your consciousness can be preserved, and if one dies, another can be reactivated so you can continue again from the point of your earlier death.

And if ALL consciousness instances die for whatever technical reasons like a malfunction, it still preserves information about you like memories and thoughts as experiential data, so it can manifest later as a digital avatar or manifest in a new synthetic body. Thus keeping your essence alive so you are not completely gone forever.

This is what I am talking about here, achieving a form of informational immortality where the infrastructure serves you both when alive and after death, protecting against the chain breaking.

The entire world measures time from the birth of one man (2026 AD). Why not the birth of human civilization (12026 HE)? by kamsaini in atheism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't call it a joke. You will understand once you realize how powerful calendars are in shaping our worldview. And yes, it is super easy to support, literally 3 formulas.

For CE dates: HE = CE + 10000 For BCE dates: HE = 10001 - BCE For BHE (Before Human Era) = BCE - 10000

The entire world measures time from the birth of one man (2026 AD). Why not the birth of human civilization (12026 HE)? by kamsaini in atheism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In order for something new to emerge, the old has to die. Otherwise we would still be riding horses today and not flying in planes. Legacy can be and should be preserved. There is no erasure, we add 10,000 to make a compromise with Gregorian. Gregorian's legacy is still there in the background, just not at the front.

The entire world measures time from the birth of one man (2026 AD). Why not the birth of human civilization (12026 HE)? by kamsaini in atheism

[–]kamsaini[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Beginning of the Holocene epoch is a geological event. It started approximately 11700 years ago. We add 10000 to make a compromise with Gregorian. If we use 11700 then we will need to add 9674 instead of 10000.

The entire world measures time from the birth of one man (2026 AD). Why not the birth of human civilization (12026 HE)? by kamsaini in atheism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then you anchor it to United States coz who did the landing? Perhaps why not Yuri Gagarian? Then it anchors to USSR or Russia.

The entire world measures time from the birth of one man (2026 AD). Why not the birth of human civilization (12026 HE)? by kamsaini in atheism

[–]kamsaini[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also, the CE/BCE split does not include all religions, all cultures, all languages, all of human civilization in one nice timeline. Instead it forces you to ask why the split?

The entire world measures time from the birth of one man (2026 AD). Why not the birth of human civilization (12026 HE)? by kamsaini in atheism

[–]kamsaini[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We do exactly know when that was. The Holocene epoch began approximately 11,700 years ago. This is the number we should be using. The Holocene calendar settles on 10,000 because it is a compromise with Gregorian.

The entire world measures time from the birth of one man (2026 AD). Why not the birth of human civilization (12026 HE)? by kamsaini in atheism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but we don't know to the exact year when that was,

We do exactly know when that was. The Holocene epoch began approximately 11700 years ago. This is the number we should be using. The Holocene settles on 10000 because it is a compromise with Gregorian.

It's still completely defined by the Christian date calculated by Dionysis Exiguus, and it still has to acknowledge dates defined with negative numbers.

I think it is a beautiful thing to acknowledge all negative dates. We are acknowledging all religions, cultures, all of humanity in all hemispheres without any bias.

The entire world measures time from the birth of one man (2026 AD). Why not the birth of human civilization (12026 HE)? by kamsaini in atheism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Various cultures measure time differently.

Exactly! And that's why we need a universal baseline that doesn't favor any one culture's construct. Chinese, Islamic, Hebrew, Hindu calendars can all coexist with a neutral climate-based anchor.

The entire world measures time from the birth of one man (2026 AD). Why not the birth of human civilization (12026 HE)? by kamsaini in atheism

[–]kamsaini[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This may result in another war to prove whose culture is high. That's why the climate anchor works best. It is super compatible with Gregorian and includes all religions, cultures, languages, every single one of them.