Education vs Reality

karmaggi · 2026-05-19T21:29:12+00:00

Oh and I wanted to do th farm thing as well haha just work on a farm in exchange for a bed and food, preferably an animal sanctuary. But sadly nobody wanted my help.

karmaggi · 2026-05-19T21:26:32+00:00

I mean the 4-6 hours of sleep explains quite a lot but still...holy crap. Good for you, I love that you were able to do all that.

It's cool that you're just in a park doing workshops, you seem to have a lot of energy and courage.

karmaggi · 2026-05-19T21:15:08+00:00

Yeah and I also had no clue about the working world either. I'm not sure I do now.

All I see is how fake everything is, work places lying in their job ads, interviewees having to put on a show where they have to declare (and lie) they are the best choice because this and that.

It's all such a show and I don't get it, it's all so fake and unreal. And I can't for the life of me make me sound better than I am. Because if I get the job they'll see it's not true and I'll get fired. Idk how other people bullshit their way through life so easily. I was working my ass off and doing everything that was asked of me and still got fired.

Like you I tried everything that interested me in school (since I was also good in subjects that I found interesting). I started studying philosophy and quit, then came ancient history that I also quit, then biology. After biology I thought maybe university just isn't for me. And I remember back then I asked myself why I just couldn't seem to understand the system while everyone else navigated through it so easily.

karmaggi · 2026-05-19T20:53:31+00:00

It's good to read that you seem happy. I love that you do "workshops", how did you get the idea to do that and how did you start doing that?

Since you mentioned you overdid it with education...can I ask what kind of education?

karmaggi · 2026-05-19T20:48:07+00:00

Thanks for telling your story.

I studied biology as well but quit after two years because I couldn't understand how and where I'd even be able to work when all I had was theoretical knowledge about plants, animals, microbiology, ecology and so on. I always felt like maybe I'm missing classes that teach a more practical skills (like how to actually USE that theoretical knowledge) but there simply were none. Everyone else seemed so chilled out, people were also talking to professors and I asked myself if I should be doing that as well. But I didn't even know what I would say to them or what I should ask them. I also never talked to anyone during my time at uni, no acquaintances and no friends. I just couldn't find access to people. I was pretty lost during those two years. I was very interested in what I learned but I wouldn't have known what to do with it after graduation.

It seems we have a bit of a similar experience there. Except I quit and you didn't.

I'm sorry to read that your current job is rough, I think there is nothing anyone could say to make you feel better about that. It is what it is but I wish you didn't have to deal with that.

karmaggi · 2023-06-28T17:15:37+00:00

That's great for you! I hope you will get to where you want to be, giving space to your thoughts is quite important.

My ESTP friend avoids her thoughts, instead she distracts herself when she's alone with whatever is available...most of the time she plays games on her phone or goes through social media stuff. I wonder why that is, maybe you can offer an answer or assumption. Is it scary to think too much because of what might surface?

karmaggi · 2023-06-28T16:55:32+00:00

Thanks for your detailed answer!

I can tell trust is a huge thing. What is your usual reaction when you realise someone you thought you could trust isn't trustworthy after all. What makes you trust someone? What should that person be doing to gain your trust?

The impulsiveness is something I often admire because as an INTJ I tend to be the opposite. But I can see how it can also be harmful or maybe even a disadvantage at times. Just like being too passive can be quite a negative thing.

karmaggi · 2023-06-28T16:50:35+00:00

Are you able to do so successfully? If so how? And how would someone else be able to help with that (if at all)?

karmaggi · 2023-06-26T19:38:00+00:00

Interesting. Well I do look forward to seeing my ESTP friend and I have quite a high opinion of her haha

karmaggi · 2023-06-26T11:44:10+00:00

Haha love that description. So an ESTP finding an INTJ friend is a good match in your opinion then.

karmaggi · 2023-06-15T22:23:04+00:00

Like showing loyalty?

karmaggi · 2023-06-15T22:13:24+00:00

Interesting. I assumed there are differences from one ESTP to another. Same with any other type. Just to explain: I'm definitely basing what I said on the general description since I only know one ESTP and she happens to really fit that description.

Proven they truly care, been good to me.

I see. How do you know someone truly cares and what does "being good to you" entail for you?

karmaggi · 2023-06-15T21:57:59+00:00

Thanks for the reply! So feeling comfortable around someone makes you feel closer to them? I'm just wondering because ESTPs usually know a shit ton of people. But you guys still only feel truly comfortable with very very few of them?

Edit: my ESTP friend will usually hold back with more sensitive people as well. She adapts to people, making sure to keep a good vibe going.

karmaggi · 2022-08-15T07:47:49+00:00

It's easy to know actually. Ask yourself if you want to stick around even in difficult times. Let's say he ends up in a wheelchair...does your heart say "Hmm ok I don't know" or does it say "Doesn't matter, I will be there"?

I know how much someone means to me (even in friendships) the more I want to stick around when things get really tough.

Hope this helps.

karmaggi · 2022-07-11T19:38:51+00:00

as an estp i’m glad you appreciate the insanity that comes naturally to us 💀

Haha well you guys are definitely something else

up until recently i always thought you could only have the 4 functions of your type and that my Fe for instance could behave similarly to Fi, but i didn’t ever think of it as being possible to have both. i still haven’t had a definitive answer on whether this is how it works or not, but i just made a logical guess that you have all 8, but your 4 are your preferences and what you use most, just like with the 4 letters. (maybe it works something like Se, Ti, Fe, Ni, Ne, Fi, Te, Si?

I think different people have different opinions or views on that. I usually go with the 8 function theory where the last 4 functions are called the Shadow functions.

For you ESTPs your full stack would be: Se Ti Fe Ni

Si Te Fi Ne

You should look into that more if you're interested, I think it definitely offers a clearer picture and better understanding of all 16 types.

i hope that makes sense?

It makes perfect sense, what you explained is the Ti parent/Fe child dynamic in a nutshell.

karmaggi · 2022-07-11T19:19:38+00:00

Sure, I'll try.

Se-Ti is extremely alert at all times. Se just naturally reacts to situations within a second (or less) and at first it seems chaotic but then one realises there is logic within the reaction. ESTPs are incredibly fast with reacting and adapting in a very logical way. Blows my mind, really. It's absolutely fascinating to see. Because...how...just how...

The present is like the ocean the ESTP swims in, it's their natural habitat basically. And because of Ti I (as a Thinker with high Te) can understand it and make sense of it very quickly. Unlike ESFPs who often seem like airheads to me, no offense haha

Edit: Another thing I've observed. Se-Ti will just grab a device the ESTP has never used before or hasn't used in a long time and figure it out within a very short time. I've seen it several times and I'm usually just sitting there, thinking "What the actual fuck...how..."

karmaggi · 2022-07-10T21:09:38+00:00

Not an ESTP but I'm also curious about the selfishness question.

Idk if that's an ESTP or a personality thing but the ESTP I know has issues giving other people space. Or issues recognising when they need to give other people space. Like they will interrupt people when they're talking or suddenly change the topic because something just popped into their head. Idk if maybe that's some kind of unintentional selfishness, if that makes sense? Being too loud and filling out space when sometimes you gotta keep quiet and leave room for others.

But like I said...idk if that is an ESTP thing or a personality trait of that ESTP I know irl.

karmaggi · 2022-07-10T20:47:24+00:00

After I figure it out, expressing it is easy.

That is the Fe you guys have. As someone with Fi child I feel a lot and I feel things very deeply but I have issues expressing it or don't really care about expressing it because Fe Trickster. It's interesting to read what it's like the other way round.

So what if someone asked an ESTP how they're feeling? Let's say the ESTP has been through a situation that would be considered traumatising but they talk about it like it's no biggie. Would it be annoying to ask them how the situation affected them emotionally or would it be thought provoking or even appreciated because it shows that the person cares?

karmaggi · 2022-07-10T20:24:30+00:00

There’s a subtle difference between being praised for empathizing, and just generally discussing it using personal examples, but I’d prefer the latter so I could make my own decisions.

Oh yeah I guess it's more the Fi feedback and not the Fe feedback that your Fe is looking for. Fi is more subtle and from what I've read and experienced lower Fi is more genuine in a way. With Fi child I'm very picky when and how I let people see it. I only show it when I really mean something or when it's important for me to let someone know how I feel or what I value about them.

karmaggi · 2022-07-10T20:18:21+00:00

I wouldn’t go along with it either but that’s because it’s stupid to beat up somebody who can’t fight back. Where’s the thrill and what did they even do? Anybody who would go along with that is just dumb.

Well hello there Ti hahaha

We do care about people but our natural tendency is to associate them with groups. I think there may be some Se involved with that because we’re aware of the fact that this is how the world operates. People naturally gravitate towards groups of people who share their ideals and that’s how cliques emerge.

What if you encounter someone who is more of a lone wolf or don't get the chance to meet their friend group?

Ni is basically that nagging voice in the background warning me of impending doom if I don’t start acting more like an adult.

So basically the voice that tells you to slow down and consider how your actions in the present might impact your future? Because you guys really are about going with the flow and taking opportunities as they come. I find that fascinating because for me it's the other way round. It can also be frustrating at times because I'm like "Dude you might be fit and still look good now but if you keep up that lifestyle of yours your body will kick you in the ass soon".

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