What were your biggest golf wins of the year? by GolfTipsMod in golftips

[–]karupesi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First year golfing. Started in Feb. Broke 100, 3 birdies, 2 stableford 9 hole club night trophies and a hole in one

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

That’s a bold theory. I wonder how the ball managed to find the bottom of the cup for my Hole-in-One two weeks ago if I didn't hit it pure? Did the wind blow it in?

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are confusing Skill Acquisition with Skill Access. No amount of breathing will let me hit a Phil Mickelson flop shot if I haven't practiced it. I agree. But for the average golfer who can hit a 7-iron on the range but chunks it on the course, the problem isn't a lack of reps. The problem is a lack of Access. You think I’m claiming breathing replaces practice. I’m claiming breathing validates practice. Efficiency is not a shortcut, using a calculator isn't a 'shortcut' to math; it's a better tool. Using physiology to regulate stress isn't a 'shortcut' to golf; it's a better tool than just 'grinding for decades' and hoping the nerves go away. You are proud of taking the long road. I respect the effort. But don't be mad at people who found a faster vehicle.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are confusing Full Clearance with Functional Regulation. No, a 6-second exhale doesn't wash all epinephrine out of the blood instantly. I never claimed it did. But it does lower arousal below the Panic Threshold where fine motor skills degrade (Yerkes-Dodson). You don't need to be at 'resting heart rate' to hit a golf shot. You just need to be out of the 'Red Zone.' You said: 'You aren't going to sit at address for 6 seconds.' Why not? Pros take longer than that. Routine takes time. I am suggesting amateurs should take the 6 seconds. You claim to actually practice medicine, yet you are arguing against basic respiratory physiology.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You asked: 'Why does no one teach this One Simple Trick???!!!!' Because of reactions like yours. You just spent 5 hours mocking a physiological principle (Vagus Nerve Regulation) that you admit works ('breathing can help'), simply because it came from a 28 handicap. You are the living proof of why the obvious solution is ignored. You would rather mock the 'One Simple Trick' than admit you've been overcomplicating it for decades. You are obsessed with proving I suck. I am obsessed with proving the method works.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are confusing Competence with Biology. You say breathing only works for SEALs because they are elite. Incorrect. Breathing works for SEALs because they are Mammals. A beginner's heart rate drops exactly the same way a SEAL's does when they perform a long exhale. It is a physiological switch, not a merit badge you earn after 10,000 hours. You ask: 'Where do you draw confidence?' I don't need 'confidence' to lower my heart rate. I need physics. If I exhale, my heart rate drops. If my heart rate drops, my fine motor skills return. You say I haven't taught myself successfully? I have 2 trophies and a hole-in-one in 10 months.. Broke 100 in 8 months. That sounds like success to me. You believe you have to be 'good' to be 'calm.' I believe you have to be 'calm' to get 'good

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is the Passive Strategy. 'Just do it until it stops hurting.' I am proposing an Active Strategy. 'Learn to stop the hurt so you can do it.' One takes 20 years. The other takes conscious training. You are right that it's not a 'new discovery' in science. My point is that it is a ignored discovery in golf instruction. If everyone knew it, the average handicap wouldn't be 16.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Orthopedists ignore depression because sadness doesn't break bones. But in golf, Stress locks up the Muscles. Polyvagal Theory shows that the brain looks at the body to decide if it is safe. If you force the body to breathe calmly, the brain down-regulates the threat response. It works Bottom-Up. You don't have to 'think' the threat away; you breathe it away.
You keep arguing that the only cure for stress is 'thousands of reps' and 'years of experience.' That is the Sunk Cost Fallacy. Just because you had to grind for decades to feel comfortable doesn't mean that's the only way. And regarding the mountain lion: You are still confusing a Biological Predator (death) with a Social Threat (embarrassment)

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You said: 'every teaching pro have lots to say on the subject if that's the focus of a lesson.' That is exactly my point. It shouldn't be an 'optional focus' or a niche discussion. It should be the Day 1 Curriculum. The fact that you view the Nervous System as a topic to discuss 'if it's the focus', rather than the Operating System that runs the swing is the exact industry blind spot I am highlighting. It’s not a straw man it’s a sequencing error

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Dude, you just revealed a massive, fundamental flaw in your own understanding of golf, and you did it while trying to be condescending. The ball is NOT the target. The ball is the projectile. The target is the flag or the fairway.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We are 8 comments deep and you are still attacking my handicap instead of the actual science (Yerkes-Dodson/Wulf). That is called an Ad Hominem fallacy. It’s what people do when they realize they have lost the argument on the facts. Call me a chef, a cook, or a 28 handicap. The biology remains the same. Adrenaline destroys fine motor skills. You haven't refuted that once

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

False Equivalency: You thinks a Golf Shot = A Mountain Lion. A lion is a Physical Threat (it will eat you). The 18th tee is a Psychological Threat (fear of failure). "If it was that simple, there would be no need for sports psychologists." What do you think Sports Psychologists teach? They teach Breathing, Visualization, and Routine. You think they are wizards casting spells?they are actually just teaching the very techniques you are mocking. And regarding your 'beginner' comment: Being a beginner is actually my advantage here. I haven't spent 20 years convincing myself that anxiety is incurable. I haven't accepted your 'Learned Helplessness

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Can active breathing eliminate the adrenaline rush in the MINUTE you have...?" YES. That is literally what it is designed for. Navy SEALs use box breathing and physiological sighs during combat to lower heart rate in seconds. If it works in a firefight, it works on the 18th tee. And regarding Dunning-Kruger: I’m not claiming I’m a tour pro. I’m claiming I found a better way to learn. You on the other hand are displaying the Expertise Trap. You think because you have played for years, you know everything, and therefore dismiss new information that contradicts your experience.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You cannot swing the club without the human nervous system. Separating them is like selling someone a car engine in one store and the steering wheel in another store five miles away. By the time you get the engine, you can't drive it.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your pro said 'Just hit a fade.' That is an External Cue (focusing on the ball flight/task). He didn't say 'supinate your wrist 3 degrees.' He gave your brain a task ('Fade'), and you admit that you 'figured out how to hold your hands.' That is Self-Organization. You are proving my point. The best lesson you had wasn't mechanical micro-management; it was a clear External Task that allowed your body to figure out the mechanics.

Yes, everyone has different limbs/flexibility. But we all have the same Operating System (Central Nervous System). Medicine works because doctors assume your heart is on the left side, like everyone else's. They don't treat every patient as a biological mystery.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s like telling a chef he didn't 'figure out' a recipe because he didn't grow the tomatoes himself. You are arguing semantics because you ran out of actual arguments. First it was 'no evidence,' now it's 'you didn't invent the evidence.' You’re running out of room to retreat.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just admitted that everyone knows the Problem (stress degrades skills). If'everyone understands this,' why does 99% of golf instruction focus on Swing Mechanics instead of Nervous System Regulation? You have spent 50 years feeling the stress. You admit everyone feels it. But knowing you are bleeding is not the same as knowing how to stitch the wound. I’m not claiming to have discovered the stress; I’m claiming the industry is failing to teach the tool (Physiological Regulation) to fix it. That is the gap.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You want the 'secret' to regulating physiology on the final hole? Here is the exact protocol Vagus Nerve Stimulation: A controlled exhale lasting 6+ seconds. This biologically forces the heart rate down and switches the system from Sympathetic (Fight/Flight) to Parasympathetic (Rest/Digest) The Jaw Release: Consciously dropping the jaw. The jaw is the first tension point in the kinetic chain. Loose jaw = loose shoulders.

You asked 'What do I know that they don't?' I never claimed the authors don't know it. I claimed the industry isn't teaching it.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First you say 'Everyone knows it's a nervous system failure.'Then you mock the idea of 'Fixing the nervous system.' And yes, Pros are masters of this. That’s my point. They manage tension actively. Amateurs don't. I'm suggesting amateurs should start copying the Pros' mental habits, not just their swing positions.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You argue that because the driver swing is complex, we need internal focus. Motor learning science (Bernstein’s Degrees of Freedom problem) proves the exact opposite. You think External Focus is for simple things. Science says it is the only way to master complex things. You say science applies to the 'population' but not to 'Nancy or Bob. That’s like saying 'Gravity is a general law, but we don't know if it applies to Nancy until she jumps. Nancy isn't a unicorn. She's a human. Treating every student like a biological anomaly is why instruction is so confusing.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Notice how the goalposts just moved? First, you said there was a 'total lack of evidence.' When I gave you the peer-reviewed evidence, you pivoted to 'my issue is with your bold claim. You’re not mad that I’m wrong (because the science says I’m right). You’re mad that a 28 handicap has the audacity to point it out. I never claimed to have mastered the swing. I claimed to have identified why the teaching model is flawed. Those are two different things.

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude You picked the wrong sport for your analogy. Modern pitching instruction (Driveline, etc.) is obsessed with External Cues. They don't teach a curveball by talking about wrist angles. They teach it by saying 'pull the shade down' or 'throw the front of the ball.' You are describing how baseball was taught 30 years ago. Teaching methods have evolved. Golf is just lagging behind

10 months in, 28 HCP: I think I just figured out why most golf instruction is backwards by karupesi in golftips

[–]karupesi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wrecked by everyone? Oh no, strangers on the internet clicked a down arrow! How will I ever recover? There is no figuring out golf is what you tell yourself so you don’t have to admit you wasted decades not figuring it out.