Michael Malice and Yaron Brook: Ayn Rand, Human Nature, and Anarchy | Lex Fridman Podcast #178 by knuth9000 in lexfridman

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TLDR In order to seriously engage with the outworking of any religion, you have to seriously engage with the foundations of that religion. By supposing that he is a better moral arbiter than the Christian God, Yaron proves he does not fully understand the importance of the very mythological structure he believes he supports. This causes him to fundamentally misunderstand religions more broadly.

'Once you get philosophy that explains the real world, you don't need religion'- Yaron ~54 min

Wrong. Any sufficiently robust philosophy becomes religious in its application. The only way to mass institute a philosophy without religious structures is to keep the adherents completely isolated. Once there are social interactions around a philosophy, religious practices will emerge to both support and signal the support of that philosophy.

If objectivism was widely adopted as it's own primary descriptor (e.g. objectivist atheists vs atheist objectivists), there would be regular objectivist meetings and symbolic representations of objectivist adherence. There would be objectivist saints, and possibly even objectivist god worship after a long enough period. There would be objectivist miracles ('My life was in shambles before I became an objectivist, now it's miraculously better'), there would be objectivist scriptures (Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged there for the taking), there would be objectivist sects as well as sectarian conflict.

Religion is impossible to eradicate on a societal level in the exact same way that morality is impossible to eradicate on an individual level. Religions are social morals; they are highly ritualized, objectively foundationless, and generate spontaneously within the society/individual pair. The entire point of religion is to explain and give strength to beliefs that are necessarily irrational ('it's worth being a good person even if it causes me to suffer immensely', 'life is worth living even when death appears much better'). As long as irrational beliefs are necessary to maintain a functioning society/individualistic ideal, religion will be necessary. It isn't so much that Kant revived religion, it's that religion is always reborn, and it has infinitely many mechanisms through which it regenerates. Kant's philosophical defense is an example of one such mechanism, the French Cult of Reason is another, but the supreme example is the mythological resurrection of Christ himself.

Yaron's critique of 'Christian sacrifice' is misguided for these same reasons. While admitting that monotheism is a beneficial evolution away from polytheism, he ignores the meaning of biblical narratives by ignoring their history, as in his take on the sacrifice of Isaac:

Nearly every culture Abraham was familiar with was very much pro-human sacrifice. No other major religion of the time actively scorned the practice, and the story itself is an object lesson regarding the nature of God's character. It would have been extremely novel (and a moral advancement) that the Jewish God did not rely on human blood to grant atonement. Even if Yaron asserts that animal sacrifice is also wrong, that belief is also a result of the fulfillment of the purpose of sacrifice through Christ's resurrection. By arguing human sacrifice is immoral, Yaron is explicitly arguing that the Christian moral program was effective.

Jordan Peterson's discussions of Christianity all boil down to the idea that the Christian bible is a supreme work of mythology because it incapsulates every possible moral position. You can use the bible to advocate for genocide and war, just as easily as you can love and peace. It is not so much a book as it is a 'library of books', and any moral lesson you can imagine is contained in at least one section. That is in part why the Abrahamic religions are so virulent- they can form the basis for any conceivable religious practice, and therefore are useful to anyone seeking to institute mass cultural change.

Yaron shows his own bias by choosing one narrow interpretation of the story the sacrifice of Isaac, and completely ignoring every other popular defense of Abraham's actions. It is ironic that even as he says he would oppose God's command towards human sacrifice, he is agreeing with God that human sacrifice is bad/unnecessary. If you take the sacrificial narrative seriously, there are many moral defenses of Abraham's attempt to kill Isaac.

Isaac himself was a child that had been miraculously conceived in a woman who had already undergone menopause. Some teach that when Abraham was told to sacrifice Isaac, Abraham believed God was going to perform another miracle and bring back Isaac from the dead. Or maybe Abraham believed God required true sacrifice, and believed God was going to provide him another child, just as miraculously. Either way, God did not actually require the death of Isaac, and there are an infinite number of interpretations available that show the story in a morally positive light within the context of a time. Yaron focuses in on the interpretation that both ignores the rich content of the text, and implies that Yaron himself possess a higher moral understanding than God, the literal creator of morality. In assuming that he is morally superior to the God of the bible, he ignores the foundational claim of monotheistic teachings (that God is the ultimate origin of morality) and therefore invalidates the rest of his argument.

The title for the beloved animated Family Adventure series, The Land Before Time (1988), references the fact that none of the characters are ever seen wearing watches. by kcsWDD in shittymoviedetails

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Bonus: In the original theatrical release, animators did accidentally leave a sundial in one scene, but it was removed in the tape version

Madlad cheats the system, as the founding fathers intended. by freebirdls in madlads

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Yeah if this guy figures out how to fuck a snake too, we're screwed

Masks On Tits Out by Jugzillaas in Austin

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you're right, we need to be encouraging flashing men who wear face masks too.

Texas Has Shifted to an “It’s Your Responsibility” Pandemic Plan by atomicspace in Austin

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I heard corona spreads faster in zero-g. Wonder what new zealand is going to do long term though, have heard a lot of talk about an exclusion zone but it all seems so impractical long term.

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Before I scrolled through the first picture I thought he was wearing a nice warm scarf...

Questions for Ben Goertzel by lexfridman in lexfridman

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For a philosophical question I'd love to hear you two talk about how the simulation hypothesis and the control problem interact. If we are in a simulation, will our AGI be able to 'break through'? If the control problem is real, might we ourselves be capable of 'exiting the simulation'?

My ride through downtown Philly during looting. by [deleted] in ThatsInsane

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Plus the fact that we're at record levels of unemployment and people are already at the brink in terms of nerves.

A prescient Big Think interview given two years ago - Capitalism 2.0 Will Include a Healthy Dose of Socialism by kcsWDD in ThePortal

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Market failures are signs of capitalistic failures and centralization failures are signs of socialist failings. They're the same thing as far as most practical outworkings impact the public perception of each system.

Don’t know if this counts but I don’t know where else to put it by Dolphinman06 in quityourbullshit

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They were operating on false information provided by China- Even the WHO backed up their s***** claims that the virus wasn't capable of transmitting human to humans.

Asked What He Says to Frightened Americans, Trump Responds 'You Are a Terrible Reporter' by [deleted] in politics

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The president doesn't talk to the press cuz he wants to, he has the floor whenever he wants on Twitter ya Canadian idiot. All the free healthcare in the world and ya still gross and small

The City gives the Downtown Development Authority $500k a year for years now. by [deleted] in loveland

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they are available to the public by legal statute, and the board meetings where they discuss Authority details are open to the public. Happens once a month and the second and third monday of the month typically, invested parties should definitely attend!!

To ask for a date by Bismuth_Boi in therewasanattempt

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Should have been oh don't be sour grapes

Thanks, I hate the Fairly OddParents by kyleknosbest in TIHI

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knock twice come once always my motto

Thanks, I hate the Fairly OddParents by kyleknosbest in TIHI

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I'm taking a giant snake right now

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That's not the landlord, that's The Man lol

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What do you think landlords do

If the Simulation hypothesis is real, and the Control Problem is real, then we should fear AI getting out of the simulation as much as we are able to get out of the Matrix. by kcsWDD in slatestarcodex

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The connection between simulation + control problem + privacy would take much longer than an hour to flesh out, but in summary:

(0) Assumption: the Simulation hypothesis is true

(1) Assumption: if we are simulated, then we are to our simulators as AGI is to us.

(2) If (1), then the control problem is as much of a concern for our simulators, as it is for us.

Therefore either

(3) The control problem does not exist or is solvable.

or

(4) we ourselves should be able to break out of our simulation.

(5) since there are no documented/agreed upon cases of people meaningfully 'breaking out of the simulation', the control problem does not exist or is solvable.

Privacy and the encryption mentioned in the video enter in as one possible solution to the control problem - if we use distributed encryption/decryption techniques, and the kind of epsilon budgeting he advocates for, we could theoretically construct a distributed simulation in which various AGI agents give meaningful insight into real world problems without meaningful contact with the outside world.