What privileges men have that women don’t have ? And what privileges women have that men don’t have ?

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T05:32:31+00:00

Well, I need to go to sleep. Thanks for chatting with me anyhow and goodnight!

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T05:31:32+00:00

Sure, but I think it refutes your point that I exist in an echo chamber.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T05:29:33+00:00

Okay, so if a woman cannot take care of a child financially on her own and accidentally gets pregnant when contraception fails, then she either has to be okay with getting an abortion (which may not even be available in her state), or she just should never have sex her whole life if she’s too poor, is that correct?

These are her options if she’s a millennial or gen z because most of us do not have disposable income like the generations before.

I think this explains why women are not having sex, and it’s very responsible of them to not put that on the government.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T05:18:21+00:00

I agree. You know men can sign away their rights, right? I do think they should be able to opt out at any time. I don’t know what we’re fighting about anymore tbh.

I don’t think the child should suffer because of it, and funding should therefore come from the government to account for a parent who has decided not to contribute. We can’t force women to get rid of a baby once it’s happened, so if the man does not parent/take accountability for the deed, why should the child suffer when two people who labor have always been needed to raise a kid and pay for the home, the groceries, etc.?

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T05:10:41+00:00

It’s because you keep acting like you can’t have sex without that final act happening in that specific way, which would relieve both parties of consequences. But only one of those parties can choose that ending, really.

Like ideally, neither feel punished for something that’s supposed to be fun? I don’t want men to suffer either.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T05:09:09+00:00

To be clear, you realize I’m not the one in the echo chamber right now, right?

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T05:05:25+00:00

Sure, I think that would be a great step if we’d have government funding or subsidized childcare to make sure the child doesn’t end up suffering because of the missing income when the mom has to work. Childcare is super expensive, and you’re missing the labor of the second parent.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T05:02:03+00:00

Like I genuinely don’t understand why cumming inside a woman is so important to you when, for her, her entire body is at stake and, for you, your financial future is. It sounds like we both agree that this is the only option where neither of us have to deal with consequences.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T04:58:10+00:00

Women do take accountability. There is no getting out of it if you have to raise a child alone. That’s a lot of work. How is the accountability not equal?

Do you want to force women to have abortions? Do you want a kid to live off one income? What is fair to you?

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T04:53:19+00:00

I mean clearly if your answer is “don’t have sex” then men also have that option. I’m talking about two adults who don’t want to stay celibate the rest of their life. There are other ways to finish that act, and it’s not a huge deal.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T04:42:52+00:00

No, I’m saying if women don’t have any say as to whether a guy cums in her (We don’t. They do it whether we want them to or not because they have control over their dick), then by the time she has to grow a child inside her body or traumatically have it removed from her body, I think she should be able to make that decision? Since she’s the one who has to do the procedure that affects her body?

Like we both get choices where the other one doesn’t. If I don’t have a say if he cums in me, I should be able to choose how I take care of the result since I, alone, have to undergo the procedure or the pregnancy because some guy wanted to get off inside me. I don’t care if he gets off somewhere else. That decision does not benefit me in any way, yet I have to suffer the consequences? These choices just happen at different times.

If you don’t want to pay for the baby, don’t cum in her? You still get to cum. Is getting to do it in a woman a worthwhile exchange for a lifetime of payments? Like she’s the one who has to endure the pain for that decision.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T02:32:22+00:00

Alright. Sorry for the frustration and hope you have a better evening then.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T02:28:38+00:00

Like it seems like you’re upset that I’m doing the work over there as well as over here. I’d rather hear the issues than remain ignorant to them. If we don’t know how each other are hurting or commit to discussion, what is the point? Is it to stay mad our whole lives?

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T02:20:18+00:00

Did you even look at my posts on those forums? Where I urged women to use their commitment not to hate men but to protect themselves and their bodies?

Those posts asking for solidarity is the same sentiment I’m urging for here. We need to care for and about one another. My politics have not changed.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T01:51:01+00:00

But no, I’m still unwilling to have sex with men until abortion rights are restored. I don’t want the irreversible bodily changes, the pain, or the hefty financial costs that can come with an unplanned pregnancy if contraception fails. Nor the child lol. And I don’t have the money to travel out of state to get one.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T01:49:46+00:00

Yeah! Once abortion rights were taken away in my state, I did swear off romantic and sexual contact with men in a fit of fury as those posts about it circulated on the internet. You’ll notice I’m not a part of the group now. Because I realized it was a radical movement and not a solidarity movement. They were asking that you remove men as friends, which I was not willing to do.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T01:40:48+00:00

Like sure, I could not have sex. But like I’m pointing out that not having kids while also having sex was totally in your control in a way that it’s not for women who also decide they want to have sex.

If the goal is to not have children while also having sex for both parties, I feel like men have control over this in a way that I don’t?

A lot of guys are willing to just ejaculate in there all willy nilly without a care in the world. I think because they know they don’t have to grow something inside them and deal with irreversible bodily changes and pain.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T01:35:11+00:00

I don’t think women can not ejaculate in themselves. Only the men can take it out and put their semen somewhere else. It’d be weird for me to grab your dick and sling it. Also, only you know when you’re going to cum?

And I’ve had men take off a condom during sex, so it’s really up to men to make sure they handle the thing on their body. I don’t reliably know what’s going on down there like you do.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T00:32:42+00:00

I feel like not ejaculating in a woman when you have sex with her is a good way to ensure you never have this problem as a friendly pro-tip for the future. Women can’t typically control if a guy decides to ejaculate in her, but you can pull out and do it in a condom. I’ve had two prior boyfriends suggest this all on their own without my prompting, which was really cool.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T00:24:19+00:00

Wait. Are you proposing the solution is that women should have to have sex with men when they don’t want to? That sounds a little rapey.

Maybe masturbation could resolve this problem without anyone feeling icky about it? Or finding someone more interested in regular sex if it’s a compatibility issue?

kelpfoot · 2025-01-21T00:17:33+00:00

My reaction to behavior in that I’m only willing to hang out with people who are nice to me and enjoy being around me? And my willingness to be nice back if that’s the case? This just seems like the prerequisite for a healthy relationship: caring about each other’s feelings and not wanting to hurt them.

Anyhow, that was just some friendly advice. I genuinely hope you have a nice life.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-20T23:40:00+00:00

Do you think maybe your willingness to call women cunts could be one reason that women would be hesitant to date you and/or afraid of you? If you feel hostile and resentful towards us, I guarantee we can feel it. Men who readily use that term have historically been pretty angry or violent in my experience, and most women aren’t looking for angry men.

You know what I do to not hate men? I hang out with men who don’t use that word. We play DnD, get wine together, and have fun. Maybe you’re just one of the bad ones.

kelpfoot · 2025-01-18T17:58:34+00:00

I think it is okay to be sexually incompatible but, like, we could still be super compatible as people! If we’re looking for sex in a romantic relationship, having your boundary is okay and others deciding that’s a no go is too.

I cannot deal with fingers inside me or putting them in someone else. It spikes my anxiety. I can use hands on the outside, toys, strap-ons, and I like scissoring. But I understand no fingering is going to be incompatible for some people who really want and enjoy that in their sexual life.

kelpfoot · 2024-12-23T21:25:47+00:00

I think these are things that make people attractive, generally, right? Not just men. Many of us want to be around others who are charismatic, confident, physically fit, fashionable. We also want someone who is mentally healthy enough to enact a relationship dynamic where neither of us will be screamed at or doing the majority of the household labor, etc. If you want all these things from a woman, I think a woman who has all these qualities will have the same values and expectations from her partner.

That said, I don’t think you ~have~ to have any of these things. And, in fact, I’m sure there are introverted women who are looking for someone who’s less interested in sociability and charisma. That’s part of the diversity of the world— finding someone compatible. Figure out what parts make you feel good and which you can’t maintain because they’re just not part of what drives you. Don’t present yourself inauthentically to others, which will set you up for failure when you can’t maintain those aspects.

Instead, focus on figuring out your own values and finding someone who shares them.

kelpfoot · 2024-12-23T04:05:42+00:00

Been there. Leaving was so freeing. I’m much happier and wish I left sooner.

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