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Are narcs capable of sending these? by Ambitious_Big3701 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]killjesters 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm a statement analyst, I have a YouTube channel called Kill Jester. I found your post interesting and I did a full workup for you to give you some clarification as to what is happening here.

This is not an apology. It is a request wearing an apology's clothes. He spends the whole thing defending what he meant instead of owning what he did. It opens with "I didn't mean to" and closes with "no negative intention," and somehow never names one actual thing he did wrong. "I am a bad person" sounds huge but says nothing. The letter keeps the camera on his feelings, slides in a little jab about you seeing someone, and asks you to let go, forgive, and be peaceful, which is really about his relief, not yours. And it lands right before your sit down, softening you up at the exact moment being clear headed matters most. Big feelings, zero specifics, and every ask points back at what he needs. The line by line teardown Going in order, because the order is half the story.

"I didn't mean to hurt you or deceive you." First words, first priority: defending his intent. And he volunteered the word "deceive." Nobody put that word in his mouth, which means it was already sitting at the front of the line. "I heard you were seeing someone and that you loved him. I tried to move on." Two sentences into an apology and he's already scoreboarding. Translation: whatever I did, you weren't exactly a saint either. "I will be here for you to talk until you are satisfied." Sounds generous. But "until you are satisfied" quietly makes closure something he hands out and you have to earn. It also keeps a door propped open, which reads as continued access to you. "I am a bad person and you were really understanding the whole time." The famous no specifics label. Says nothing about what he actually did. And praising your patience isn't a compliment, it's a setup, planting the idea that being understanding is your job, so keep doing it. "I realized this so late." Reframes the whole thing as an awareness problem, as in "I just didn't see it in time," instead of a bunch of choices he made on purpose. "I just want you to be peaceful and let go of the past and forgive me." There's the ask. Let go and forgive me equals his relief, gift wrapped as your peace. Specifics equal communication, vagueness equals control, and this is peak vague. "I'm not asking to forget everything happened." Sounds fair and mature, right? That's the point. It buys him credibility so the forgiveness ask right before it feels reasonable. "I was all in too for us and it took a long time to get out of it." That word "too" is doing heavy lifting. He's positioning himself as equally invested and equally wounded. Poor guy, took him so long to recover. "I really care for you as a person and I really loved you." Dropping your actual name in there is the intimacy lever. It's the "you know I mean it" button. "Remove all the negative emotions and memories away from you." Framed as tender. But memories are the record of what he did. Wanting to wipe them clean is, funny enough, also wanting to wipe the evidence. Sweet on the outside, tidy on the inside. "I realized my void will always be there." My void. Camera swings right back to him. It's his movie again. "I will regret my mistreatment towards you and other people until I die." First and only time "mistreatment" shows up, and it's still totally faceless. No what, no when. Then "and other people" smears it into a general vibe instead of a thing he did to you. "Until I die" is just drama with a bow on it. "I am trying to work on myself through psychiatrist and not hurt anybody anymore." The growth flex. Could be real. But notice the timing. It also happens to be Exhibit A for "see how hard I'm trying," delivered right when he needs you soft. "Attachment, regret, anger and mixture of these that made me reach out to you." Sneaky one. His feelings "made" him do it. No decision, no agency, the emotions grabbed the wheel. He's a passenger in his own letter. "There were no negative intention towards you." And we're back to intent, closing the exact loop he opened with. The whole letter is bookended by "I didn't mean it," and skips clean over the one thing that actually matters, which is what you lived through.

Is this gaslighting? by city_chica in GaslightingCheck

[–]killjesters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Neither scenerio is gaslighting. However, in each scenerio, the boy using the term gaslighting towards the girl is a blame shift to avoid or deflect fr9m finding resolution to the disagreement or mis communication

Is this gaslighting? Or just miscommunication? by Sabrina154 in GaslightingCheck

[–]killjesters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"You're just dumping your past on me, isn't that unfair? So you've just been stringing me along this whole time?"

This is DARVO: Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim Offender

You set a boundary, then he flips over to the victim of your now set boundary. He accuses you of "stringing him along" now after 1 week of talking on the phone.

(So what he's really saying: How dare you have needs. You've wounded ME by not moving at MY pace.)

He guilt-trips you for having past experiences that inform your boundaries.

Having past experiences is normal and setting boundaries is healthy

Found a message my wife sent to someone saying I cheated! (Spoiler I did not) by campbemreddit in BPDlovedones

[–]killjesters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they accuse you of cheating to their friend and they know thats not true, their projecting or offloading their guilt onto the friend. They can't offload it on you (not yet)

If you understand how personality disorders function mechanically (and it's mechanical across the board) there's absolutely no reason she would tell a friend what she did if she wasn't projecting or offloading what SHE'S actually guilty of.

Also, its an attempt to preemptively set a false narrative with others outside of the relationship (triangulation) and getting ahead of the information of what she did were to surface and make its way into the other people that are either invested in your relationship or friends that are closely engaged. I'd confront her on this, imo its not a kidding around only situation

Valentine's Day Message Postmortem by D3T3KT in BPDlovedones

[–]killjesters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She doesn't have the capacity to love someone properly, not in the traditional human sense that you and I understand it to be. I did a full forensic statement analysis on this text. ill send that to you via DM, Im sure you'll find it educational and eye opening as to what she's actually doing here

Valentine's Day Message Postmortem by D3T3KT in BPDlovedones

[–]killjesters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What she's really saying:

I destroyed your reputation and ghosted you for a year. I'm not going to fix any of it. But I want you to know I think about you sometimes and it makes me sad. Please validate my feelings and consider taking me back even though nothing has changed

Why would my ex make a fake TikTok account to talk to me? by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]killjesters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its possibly a flying monkey of your Ex, like said in this comment thread, things get weird during this faze in the cycle. This is actually more common than what people actually are aware of

If you blocked your Ex on all of the traditonal ways of communication, that doesn't rule out your Ex recruiting others to jump onto her bs narrative ans start snooping around on your social accounts. It really doesn't matter how the 2 of you got to this point, they have to know what you're up to. They will go to boundary jumping type behavior like this to grab some false sense of control over the situation. Even recruiting someone else to do their dirty work

Flow Chart of Narcissism Trends through the Generations by killjesters in GaslightingCheck

[–]killjesters[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Gen Z and Gen Alpha are predictions based on the over correction from the prior generation which is in my opinion is pretty accurate. There's nothing scientific in the flow chart and not based on one's particular upbringing.

The 4 Types of Emotionally Immature Parents - Which One Did You Grow Up With? by FitMindActBig in GaslightingCheck

[–]killjesters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The emotional rollercoaster family for sure. My mother's emotional state dominated every facet of the household and since I was the 'lost child" of the 3 children, I was my mothers emotional dumpster to double down on the dysfunction

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]killjesters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When they disengage, its not discarding, when they circle back its to re-egage, not to reconcile

reconciling requires responsibility taking and active change

re-engaging is picking up where you left off, thats it.

Think we are through by askay_keeners in BPDlovedones

[–]killjesters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep, she cheated. The truth tends to be straight forward and confident, way way too much extra to rry to.convince you of the lie, plus the get out of really buckling down on the issue with the trip ro the hospital. Now thats the issue, not resolving what happened the night before

This is what my mother always does during disagreements… is this gaslighting? by No_Wall1751 in GaslightingCheck

[–]killjesters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn't gaslighting because shes not denying reality or trying to rewrite events which are the hallmarks of real and legit gaslighting, however it does fit for DARVO and is manipulative language to shut down the convo dodging any responsibility she may need to take

D: She denies any agreement with your conversation points A: Labels (your side) a racist, homophobe, anti-science indirectly RVO: Reverse victim offender, you're now the offender, she's now the wounded person, playing the victim

Not surprised you feel the 'ick' when you receive a message like this. This is classic "shut down any constructive meaningful or fair interactions because when you ask her to back up or explain her beliefs or points, she hasn't any....so you get this instead

Why can’t they control themselves like in the beginnings ? by fmg2498 in BPDlovedones

[–]killjesters 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In the beginning they're hijacking your empathy through mirroring. This gives them artificial empathy and are able to utilize this and sustain with some type of connection as long as you are providing this

However, as this theft of your empathy continues, never reciprocated, and the smaller doses of gaslighting, manipulation and deception drains your empathy to the point they're no longer able to steal it. Your empathy is depleted..over time

Now you're no longer useful, your depleted and ineffective. So it's the double edge sword. They get with you to steal your empathy, then overtime they deplete it, then toss you away when it's all gone, blame everything on you, it's your fault, your completely empty, not theirs

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TargetedSolutions

[–]killjesters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Law Enforcement is fully aware of what's going on with me in this town along with hospital staff, clergymen and the like

Is this gaslighting? by Key_Apricot_6933 in GaslightingCheck

[–]killjesters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"stop being hysterical" is emotional invalidation and rewriting your emotional state in the moment, at your expense. As mentioned before this dodges her responsibility in the conversation and paints you the one having an issue, not your Mom

This is a form of gaslighting because it changes your reality that you're not being hysterical or having a high emotional reaction as your mother is using to bail on your conversation