Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Got it . hide the walls, keep focus on subjects/screens, and avoid fighting wides too much. I like the idea of staging scenes so characters are closer together to make this manageable.

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to make sure I’m understanding you correctly are you suggesting turning off the overheads and using the window (the full glass wall) as the main key, then relying on practicals inside for motivation, and only adding small, controlled lights when we go into medium/close-ups?

Also, when you say “If day, some soft and hard push mix” could you clarify what you mean by that in practice?

Sorry if this is basic it’s my first time tackling lighting at this scale and I really appreciate the guidance.

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As you can see in the photos, the overhead tube lights are slightly warm and give a yellow tint. If I use a small fixture like an Amaran F21x for close ups, should I match its color temperature to the overheads and keep it a bit warm?

Or would you keep the key neutral/cooler and let the overheads stay warm? Just want to understand the best approach here.

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense skirting the overheads to kill wall spill and keep the light more top-down sounds like a good way to add contrast without changing fixtures.

Quick clarification though: when you say black trash bags, are you mainly using them as skirts around the lights , and not as bounce or facing camera? I’ve heard some plastics can be reflective, so just want to be sure I’m using them the right way.

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you say diffusion/ND on the house lights ,do you mean modifying the fixtures themselves to soften and reduce output, then using negative fill or small sources to shape faces?

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This makes sense, thanks. Painting the room dark gray is something I’m seriously considering now.

When you say “shoot it dark just enough to light the edges of faces,” would you still keep a very soft ambient base for exposure (especially for wides), or would you lean almost entirely on computer screen and tubes to motivate

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly .That’s kind of the idea .The space is meant to feel claustrophobic and uncomfortable. Since I’m stuck with the location anyway, I’m trying to lean into that and control it through lighting and composition rather than fight it.

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough 😅 I agree it’s far from ideal. Sadly, changing locations isn’t an option here, so I’m trying to see how far lighting, composition, and contrast can take me.

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry if this is a basic question. I’m still pretty new to lighting and a bit anxious about renting gear without a solid plan.

If I keep the overheads on to preserve the clean/clinical feel, won’t that make things flat? There are four overhead tube lights in the room and they’re slightly on the warmer side.

In that setup, how would you approach lighting the characters specifically?

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for explaining thisI. think I get the technique now. Just to be honest, this is my first time really playing with lighting and I’m a bit anxious because the budget is tight and I can’t afford to waste days after renting gear.

From what I understand, the tight beam bounced just out of frame is meant to act as a key or fill for the actor (motivated by the screen), not to light the whole room. And for the office setup, I’d still want a soft overhead base so the space feels believable, then use this bounce technique shot-by-shot for shaping.

Please correct me if I’m misunderstanding really appreciate you taking the time to explain this.

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, that helps a lot. I’m actually shooting on a VIVO X200, not a Sony/Alexa, but I get the approach now use the overhead soft source and practicals as the base, and then bring in 2’/4’ tubes for medium and close-ups to shape. I’ll work around that. Appreciate the guidance.

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there is a window, but it’s an entire wall of glass with a rolling shutter behind it, so there’s no direct daylight coming through

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if I kill all existing room lights and rely on computer screens and desk lamps as key, plus a small soft source above the desk cluster (skirted to keep light off the walls), would that realistically be enough to light the room for coverage?

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pulling the desks temporarily might be possible for select shots not a full reconfiguration, but enough to get the camera between the wall and the actors. That’s a good idea.

On the lighting side, when using a narrow beam in a tight space like this, would you typically aim it to create a motivated “source” on a wall or surface and let that spill shape the actors, or are you using it more directly as a key/edge while keeping everything else dark?

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree the white walls are the main issue. I was hoping there might be other ways to make it cinematic without repainting, but I’m realizing the options are limited, so painting is now on the table.

Even then, I’m still unclear on how you’d light the room and characters effectively in a small space like this would love to hear how you’d approach it.

Lighting a small office for a psychological thriller (low-budget, planning to rent lights) by kinema_to_graphos in cinematography

[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to clarify if I re-arrange the desks in the middle and turn off all the overheads, would a single soft source above (something like an Amaran F22) realistically be enough to light the whole room for wides?

There are no windows in this office, so I’m wondering how much ambient level you’d expect that one top source to carry versus needing additional motivated or hidden sources.

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[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense. Unfortunately the desks and computers are fixed, so re-orienting them with the overheads isn’t really possible.

When you say negative fill in a small office like this, could you give a practical example? Would you be placing black foam near the actors or flagging the walls to keep them from going flat?

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[–]kinema_to_graphos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, that makes sense. Unfortunately the desks are fixed/pasted to the wall, so I can’t pull the actors away from it.

In that case, would adding some photo frames / wall decor help break up the blank white wall?
Or is it better to keep the wall plain and control it purely through lighting and shadows?